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Population Control can it be done?

I’m not sue that people from the different game an fish departments across the US  are the same page in regards to controlling populations. Latest word that I heard “ if you over hunt the coyotes, they will produce more” (how many people did not know this) versus if you remove them there will be less of them to breed and we can eliminate them from an area. Coyotes will produce what the caring capacity of the area will handle; Rabbits run on a seven year cycle, you have more rabbits in an area, you have more yotes, less food less yotes. When you have yotes around populations you have introduced a new food source, the household pet, which will be replaced when one is removed. There is no way to remove all yotes from an area (yotes in NYC). Coyotes learn very quickly.

 

 

 Here in Nevada G&F believe that coyotes and Lions are the main cause of the deer population decline, so they have hired companies to eliminate them (budget aprox $500,000 this year), they need to look at habitat or loss of the habitat and migration areas

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You can control them without

You can control them without eliminating them.  A good lion population usually means a good deer and elk population.  It would surprise you at just how many lions there are in a general hunting area even with hunters after them.  As far as a coyote, they will be around long after everyone else is gone.  It has been a joke with my hunting buddies and me that in the end there will be coyotes and cockroaches both feeding off of each other.  I have seen areas that the game and fish removed a lot of coyotes in and the deer population the next year was up quite a ways since the coyote will prey on the fawns in the spring and summer and without them there is a larger survival rate of young ones. 

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Population Control can it be done?

I was at a seminar here once on Antelope and they were practically begging us to shoot any Coyote we see. They said that approximately 80% of fawns were taken by coyote shortly after being born. Because of ranching, farms, creation of water holes, human activity, etc. their numbers were increasing way above what would be normal, and impacting the herds accordingly. They are one of the few creatures that actually benefit by man's expansion into the wilderness as it were. They said deer herds are harmed too, but I don't recall them saying as bad, but did have an impact. I sure hear and see them all the time...

I remember a long time ago there were tables at the Game and Fish office saying "put pelts here" for coyotes. There was a bounty of some kind, but I think the politics of it eventually put an end to that.  

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Coyote Control

M.Bird wrote:

I’m not sue that people from the different game an fish departments across the US  are the same page in regards to controlling populations. Latest word that I heard “ if you over hunt the coyotes, they will produce more” (how many people did not know this) versus if you remove them there will be less of them to breed and we can eliminate them from an area. Coyotes will produce what the caring capacity of the area will handle; Rabbits run on a seven year cycle, you have more rabbits in an area, you have more yotes, less food less yotes. When you have yotes around populations you have introduced a new food source, the household pet, which will be replaced when one is removed. There is no way to remove all yotes from an area (yotes in NYC). Coyotes learn very quickly.

 

 

 Here in Nevada G&F believe that coyotes and Lions are the main cause of the deer population decline, so they have hired companies to eliminate them (budget aprox $500,000 this year), they need to look at habitat or loss of the habitat and migration areas

Here in Nevada we have what can only be described as Nincompoops that comprise our State Game Commision. These rocket scientists are convinced that the only thing keeping our big game populations (read that mule deer) down is predation from coyotes and lions. Forget habitat degradation due to prolonged drought, overgrazing, devastating range fires, mining, etc. has been impacting the range. Also forget that we're in the Great Basin & will never have the amount of quality habitat thats found in Colorado or Montana or Idaho. It's this commision that has contracted for commercial control, not the NVDOW. When approx. $500,000 was no longer going to be available to the USDA, our governor (another rocket scientist) appropriated a like amount from habitat improvement funds to compensate. Trust me, the boys & girls on the ground in NVDOW aren't too happy about this attitude.

I've read studies done by real scientists and biologists allowing that 70 percent of the coyote population would have to be removed consistenly for years to even come close to eradicating the population and any slowing down of that removal would allow animals from areas outside the control area to repopulate.

There is basically an open season on lions. A resident can buy a tag at any time. I've talked to lion hunting guides that are complaining that they are having a hard time booking customers in the know because the size of the cats is decreasing. The larger more desirable cats have been taken, leaving the immature. Coyotes are on a shoot on site status, yet those rocket scientists who want a 30 inch buck behind every juniper can find plenty of time to hunt the deer but can't be bothered to go out & pop a few dogs on their own.

If you don't have quality habitat, you don't have quality game population. It's that simple & that complex.

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I know that coyotes are a

I know that coyotes are a non-protected game here in Nevada. I do enjoy hunting coyotes, and I do hunt them all winter long and skin them out and tan the pelts in the spring. I hunt different areas and rotate, never trying to over hunt an given area, always exploring new areas. Can’t wait till winter, must have a full week with the nights (12 hours) stay below the freezing make, then I will be coyote season.

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71000 dogs down

There was over 71000 dogs shot in Saskatchewan this last year and you can see the differnce, I guess we have to wait and see how they come back. we had so many they where really coming in to the city towns and real bad on the farms.

There was a bounty of $10 a dog, you had to turn in all 4 paws.

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groundhog wrote:

There was over 71000 dogs shot in Saskatchewan this last year and you can see the differnce, I guess we have to wait and see how they come back. we had so many they where really coming in to the city towns and real bad on the farms.

There was a bounty of $10 a dog, you had to turn in all 4 paws.

I guess I didn't know game departments were still using bounties as a managment tool. Any one know of any in the lower 48?

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