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Point Creep!!

 Hey guys! I have been hearing alot about the point creep thing everywhere!! And lets just say I am loosing hope! I have three points for elk and have been hunting over the counter and 2nd and 3rd choices for elk the years I have drawn just to build points for one of those limited tags. I am 15 and hearing about the point creep thing, I dont think I will ever have a chance when I am older at hunting one of those units. Sure there are lots of good units hear in Colorado and I love the units I hunt with my family, but man ever since I could start hunting I have had a seed in me wanting to hunt one of those units! Do you guys think I will ever get a chance at being able to hunt the Northwest units? Im thinking if I ever got to I would be in my late 50's! I want to hunt 61 or 76 but im sure they will look like the northwest units and I will never be able to catch up! I am not creating this will happen but everyyear their is triple the amount of people putting in for these units!! Any thoughts to give me hope or something would be great:thumbsup1:

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I know a guy who is in his

I know a guy who is in his early 40's, and has gotten to hunt unit 10 (Northwest trophy unit), and is going to draw it again probably this year or next.  I'm 29 and only have 2 preference points (I get impatient and burn them early on the off chance I can run into a trophy on a "so-so" unit).

My opinion (certaintly not based on math and science); read any hunting literature, the "experts" all seem to think hunting is on the decline.  I wouldn't worry about to many people putting in for the units you want to hunt.

I work for a govt agency (not DOW),  but I do know protocols, cultures, and "the way we do things" will always change.  By the time you're in your 20's and start really building up points, it could be a completely different story.

Just continue to build your points, keep hunting, and it will all work itself out.

 

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I've got two points too and

I've got two points too and have no desire to wait 10-15 years to build them up.   I had actually been trying to save up to hunt unit 20 late, but it is now looking like 4 points will be needed. 
So I'm actually looking to burn my two this year on a muzzleloader hunt or a rifle hunt in a limited area(57, 49) which I've read are decent units.  Any opinions on 57 are welcome as well. 

The other thing I'm doing is building points in Wyoming as well and in Colorado for all species.  Hopefully then I'd be able to do one hunt a year that I really concentrate on and has some "trophy" potential. 

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Just keep building your PPs

Just keep building your PPs and your time will come young man.  Don't have that gloom and doom attitude at 15 years old.  Think of us guys that are in our 60s and then if you only have a few PPs I would start worrying, LOL!  Try to get on some cow hunts or in units where you don't need PPs to draw a tag in CO or WY and then when you do draw that coveted tag you'll have the experience to know how to use it correctly.  Good luck and at 15 think about your education more than those PPs right now!!!

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I agree that if you are under

I agree that if you are under 20 not to worry about it and just keep building the points.  I'm 58 and have 15 points for both deer and elk and have hunted both deer and elk every year that I have been getting the points.  If you are a rifle hunter consider taking up bow hunting.  It is a great hunt and there are a lot of great units that you can draw a archery tag as a second choice while building the points.  Also Colorado has the hybrid draw for the better units.  You will need to have a minimum number of points to get into it but you just may draw a tag in a great unit with less points than are listed as needed. 

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Like others have said, don't

Like others have said, don't give up on your points so soon. Very few people have already had 3 points at 15 years old. I have 17 points for elk and it's true that point creep is very real but the hybrid draw changes the possibilities drastically.

Plus you may be surprised to find a real trophy hunting your regular units while you are waiting for your dream to be realized. My son took a bull that scored 310 when he was 16 in an area that we rarely even see elk. That bull had 2 points completely broken off and 4 others broken midway and he still gross scored that high.

Those units take so long to draw and so many people apply because for the most part it is worth the wait.

Good luck and great hunting.

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Hunting Trophy Units

mossbuck,

I truley believe especially when it comes to the Northwest corner units that it is not worth the wait. Some people may disagree with me, and everybody may have a different opinion then me, but I get to hear quite a few different things around my social network and I see bigger bulls killed in lesser units. The top end bulls i hear about the NW corner are 330" and sometimes 350". I can not see waiting that long for that.

Even unit 10 isn't as good as it could be. One guy I new took a great 320" type bull after a long hard hunt and he new the area very well. It usually comes down to the darn private property and even in units like these they get a little pressure on the better bulls and there gone.  He ended up taking a massive 368" bull in an OTC unit during a first rifle season hunt on a later hunt.

I have taken 3 bulls myself that if not broken would score over 300" and my best one in my avatar in the last five years in an OTC unit. Learn an area very well that has the potential and hunt your butt off.

Good luck on your quest and besides mossbuck you are still young and learning. So don't jump the gun and just enjoy your many great experiences to come.

Quinton 

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After being on another

After being on another website with a lot of guys that are in the know on PPs, especially in Colorado, I couldn't agree with you more!  A guy might want to try and build a few PPs, but I would be hunting hard every year wherever I could get a decent tag.  The Wyoming unit that 357 3/8" bull in my avatar came out of isn't even in any discussions about good bulls in Eastmans or the Huntin Fool and we see a number like him every year where we hunt.

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I personally believe that

I personally believe that banking points for a lot of hunters is a waist of time.  They'll wait and bank 15 elk or deer points and then go out and shoot the first animal that they see.  As a lot on here know I have a lot of points for both deer, elk, and antelope and plan on cashing in the antelope tag this year.  But then I am the type of hunter that will find the best area for the points and then hunt it with a specific animal in mind and not just settle on a animal of any size.  I put in for the Book Cliffs in Utah for 9 years to get an elk tag and now the point creep for that unit is now around 15 if I remember right.  My only problem is that I shot the first bull that I saw on opening morning.  He measures 343pts and I still wonder to this day if I should of held out for a better one.  But looking at him that day I decided that he would meet my 350 minimum score and he almost made it. 

Now for my deer points here in Colorado I will be looking for a 190+ buck and if I see him I'll shoot him if now well then the points are gone and I'll plan something else. 

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Thanks guys!!

 Thanks guys for the replys! I agree with all you guys 100 percent, You dont need to wait 15 years to kill a 320 bull, There are many OTC units that have good elk in them. You just got to know the area good and work hard for them. I have had my fair chance at getting an elk a few times but it was my own fault, I havent killed one yet. I am happy with the OTC units I hunt and plan on hunting them for years to come! I will put in for unit 61 or 76 to build a point and for my 2nd choice I will put in for the same unit I know I can draw a 1st season tag in mostly everyyear. As for deer there is no need to build points!! Pretty much every unit in CO has trophy bucks in them, but they are not stupid for a reason! haha but one of these years I will catch one makeing a mistake  Dancing

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