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I am by no mean pro WHA. However, I fail to see what there is to get all riled up about unless you get upset by fishing tournaments, televised hunting shows or even trophy hunters for that matter.

What bothers me about this discussion is we have a group trying to shut down another group because they have different opinions of how animals should be treated.

This is no different than someone who believes that animals should not be killed for any reason trying to stop you from hunting.

The arguments I've heard is it is disrespectful to the animal. There are anti-hunters that make the argument that killing an animal is disrespectful. I am sorry but I don't believe in imposing my values on someone else when what they do is legal and does not harm anyone other than themselves.

I don't like people telling me what I can and can't do and I don't believe in doing it to others. Live and let live. Don't like the show don't watch it. If there are no ratings it will fade away.

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I'm sure the show & the game will go on. The sponsors most likely have deep pockets. I don't have to watch and won't. The ratings will decide if it survives or dies.

CVC, the biggest problem I see is calling it "hunting". It ain't hunting! No matter how you slice & dice this, its NOT hunting.

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Hunting's paradox is that while hunters will take an animal's life, they don't want to see animals suffer. That's why hunting ethics dictate recovery of meat, trying to kill quickly with one shot, etc. Some non-hunters don't get that, and can't understand why I can hunt so much and yet tell kids to stop throwing rocks at a squirrel.

IMO catch and release is toying with/tormenting wildlife, and that's in a different category than acting as a predator and feeding the animal to my family. Personally, I respect the animals too much to have them traumatized for simple entertainment.

I also don't see any equivalence between a fish with the brain the size of a pea and a large mammal. As far as hunting shows go, I've yet to see a program that shot an animal and then left it in the field. The fact that it's filmed doesn't change the fact that the animal was recovered and treated responsibly.

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Cowgal and expatriate, you make good points. As I said before, I am definitely not pro WHA. I just worry when we start working to ban one type of hunting, pseudo-hunting or competition, that it works to build momentum to ban hunting in general.

I do understand the difference between taking an animal during hunting and throwing a rock at a squirrel. Huge difference - one right, one wrong.

They did change their format to killing animals instead of tranquilizing them, but I don't think it changes too much. I am not a fan of hunting in enclosures, but again that is a personal choice.

Well, off to go whitetail deer hunting this morning. It definitely will not be catch and release and I have razor sharp broad heads to make the clean ethical kill.

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Websters dictionary calls
hunting;
The act of a person or animal that hunts.
hunt;
1) to go out to kill or catch (game) for food or sport. 2)to search eagerly or carefully for; try to find 3) a)to pursue, chase, drive b)to hound, harry, persecute 4)a, to go through (a woods, fields,ect.) in pursuit of game b)to search (a place) carefully. 5)to use dogs or horses in chasing game. Think

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The way I see it.

You need 4 year for a deer to make a nice rack? IF you darted the deer and marked them some way that they are not shot to many time at once ( time Frame?) this would let the deer get to maturity 4 to 8 years. There would be some massive animals to see and hunt for the future. What I see now in the wild there are to many hunter that shoot every buck they see. Which leave small bucks to breed the does late and the genetics down grades over time.

If the for say hunter would drop all of this it would be a mute point and and Peta would drop it. But scenes the hunter have jumped in they have more fire power to get hunting stopped and banded. Free advertizing for peta and now peta has all your info that you are a hunter shooting bambie. All the big companies will go out of business because you are not buying there/your hunting gear. Peta Wins. all around. and your there voice!!!! and advertising. That how they work bark bark until some one hear them then let people like use take the wrong side and help them like this petition? now peta wins again and has more power.

Just the way I see it.

Like Mike Vick dog fighting. This guy went to jail for 2 years for being young and dumb. No one else in that whole dog fight ring spent that much time in jail. and he just own the house. Dont help peta out like this.

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What the WHA was proposing went against the ethics and beliefs of a lot of hunters. It created an uproar and never succeeded. This operation had a lot of money behind it and caused quite a commotion.

Darting and "catch & release" just does not work in hunting. Darting to medicate is different, but I don't think most would see that as entertaining and cannot be compared to hunting.

Mike Vick was a public figure, that's why he took the heat. We don't need peta to tell us that what he did was wrong. There are certain practices that are wrong regardless of whether peta supports it or not.

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When they banned fox hunting in Britain, they substituted chasing a scented lure across the countryside. I can't shake the notion that WHA is groundwork being laid to make the case that hunters are motivated by blood, not sport, and that the sport can be maintained in a bloodless, "humane" manner that would protect wildlife while preserving "true" sport for hunters.

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WHAT?

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What do you mean, "What?" Check it out. Fox hunting was banned in Britain a couple years ago when they caved to the animal rights crowd. So now the guys gather with their horses, riding outfits, dogs, etc, and track & chase a scented lure that somebody drags across the countryside ahead of the pack beforehand. After all, hunters, "hunting" is about the thrill of the chase, comaraderie, the fresh air, etc, and has nothing to do with the kill, right?

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