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Its the WHA tournament and Ignorant people like the anti hunting groups that give hunting and hunters a bad name.

No, hunters who act like slobs, trespass, are not sensitive to a chaning society, etc. give hunters a bad name.

Hunters have respect for their quarry.

BS - hunters can say they respect their quarry, but the fact is we kill them and then put their heads on our walls. I am not sure how respectful that is. Turn on the tv and watch any hunting show. They kill an animal and celebrate. Hi fives, little dances, laughter. Respectful? Is this all wrong? No, but let's be honest about what we do.

The WHA has no respect for animals or hunters for that matter.

On what do you base that? They say they want to promote hunting - who are you to say that is not their intention? Do you know them personally? Fishing is a huge sport - do you think Bass tournaments have anything to do with it? Are you against fishing tournaments too?

As hunters we harvest to maintain the circle of life. We maintain herd populations to ensure a healthier balance between herd population and over grazing which would dramatically effect other species of animals.

True, but why do we do it? I can't speak for you because I don't know you, but I believe many hunters do it so there are more game for us to kill. More game to eat or hang on the wall.

The WHA are an example of human genetics gone wrong. Why not discuss the issue instead of put downs?

Their actions do not reflect those of hunters.

Apparently it does - at least some hunters. Those that participate in and those that will watch it.

I am not pro-WHA, but I really hate seeing people impose their values onto others or suggest they are better than someone else. This is what the anti-hunting groups want to do. They believe hunting is wrong so they want to stop you and me from hunting.

You believe the WHA's tournament is wrong and you want to stop it. What you are doing is no different than the anti's. Don't agree with it, then don't watch it. As long as it is legal you should leave them alone.

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I'm not going to apologize for putting meat on my table or stand to be told that its wrong, or disrespectful. you talk about respect to land owners what about respect for hunters. Game wardens sort the good hunters from the bad. If you have a problem with some hunters tell wardens and let them sort them out. I can only speak for myself but I ask first ,then hunt someones land. The fact is hunters love deer. we shoot them for their meat and we relish in their beauty. We pick up their heads and say how great they look, their racks, size and age. No sir you are wrong. We do not disrespect deer. We celebrate them, and some by making head mounts so they can be immortalized. If you don't feel right about hunting then stop. I don't believe in hunt and release because its a form of torture and I don't feel animals should be tortured. Its sadistic. I'm a humane hunter. I'm aware of the deer anatomy and know where to kill them as quick as possible.

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Thibodeau,

The WHA tournament is not catch and release. They will actually hunt animals, albeit, in an enclosed ranch.

I suppose you are against catch and release fishing too?

My point, which you missed, is that hunters are different and have different motivations. One should not impose their values onto another as long as the other person is operating in a legal manner.

The thing about your post that got to me is the hostility and name calling just because you disagree with something. There is more than one way to do things in life.

Work to abolish one form of hunting and yours may be next. United we stand, divided we fall.

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Hunters are not different and they do not have different motivations! They hunt different species for the motivation of putting meat on the table. If your hunting just to kill an animal and leave it there of tranquilize a deer for hunt and release then that's wrong. And a deer is much farther up the evolutionary scale then a trout. release a trout and I does not remember a thing what just happened. A deer has memory, They think about their surroundings and judge whether it is safe or not. tranqualizing is ethically wrong. If it were legal to tranquilize you would it still be wright because its legal to do so? As time goes on people are forgetting the ethics of hunting what it is treat the environment with respect and take only what you will eat . And if I think your an ass for not being ethical in the woods Bet your ass I'll let you know. I have the same freedoms as you and I can say what ever I want, How ever I want. So stop contradicting yourself.

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"tranqualizing is ethically wrong. If it were legal to tranquilize you would it still be wright because its legal to do so?"
Tranqualizing animals has been going on for years. Many, Many, Many game populations have been brought back from the brink by wildlife biologists thanks to this practice. I have a friend that tranqualizes aprox. 60 bears a year (sows with cubs) to study and radio collar them. It is done all the time.

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I totally respect what the Biologists are doing for animals in the wild or zoos. Their methods of tranquilizing animals are to the greater good of that animal and their populations. and they do it with the least harm and stress to the animal as possible. There trained professionals who know what there doing.
A hunter who uses a dart instead of a bullet or arrow with the intent to not put that animal on his dinner table is sadistic and really should just buy an Xbox and Cabela's Big Game Hunter.

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I totally respect what the Biologists are doing for animals in the wild or zoos. Their methods of tranquilizing animals are to the greater good of that animal and their populations. and they do it with the least harm and stress to the animal as possible. There trained professionals who know what there doing.
A hunter who uses a dart instead of a bullet or arrow with the intent to not put that animal on his dinner table is sadistic and really should just buy an Xbox and Cabela's Big Game Hunter.

I know they hunt rhinos with a tranquilzer gun. Is it really sadistic? Is it really any less challenging or exciting to get into range of a rhino and shoot it with a dart?

Frankly, it is not for me, but what is wrong with it, especially when the proceeds help local villages and to maintain the rhino population?

Maybe I haven't thought it all the way through so I look forward to reading your perspective on it.

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I know the game wardens have a really hard time with the poachers in Africa. I'm not sure which type of Rhino is endangered, could be the black Rhino, but are they shooting it for the meat or for the Ivory? I've seen pictures of Rhinos with their tusks cut off and left there to rot. Those animals are really heavy, They could probably feed a lot of people.

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I'll be going over there to sign the petition after i get done here. Then I will post the same link on my web site as well. Why you ask?

I'll tell you why. Killing animals in pens is just plain fast forwarding the demise of the ethical standards of hunting. Doing it on tv is making it even worse. Turning it into a sporting event will only accellerate the movement towards a lower standard of ethics for hunters as a whole.

Divided we fall my azz I am tired of holding up the high end of ethics so the low end can exist. I dont want to be a part of a group that thinks its sporting and fun to cage animals and award brownie points for the guy that shoots the most caged animals. As has been said that kind of unrealistic use of a resource should be kept in its proper place, video games.

far as tranquilizing animals for fun I have two questions. One why would you think that we have the right to do that to any of God's creatures for no other reason than personal glory? Theres no meat no hide no trophy. Just an animal being caged and molested for personal pleasure and brownie points.

2) Why not just kill the animal? I will tell you why cause then they woud have to compensate the goat farmers that are raising these animals purely for a professional sporting event. BTW it is now a kill the animal deal they arent doing the dart thing anymore. They tried as it was going to cut into their profits to have to compensate for the animals they took , but enough folks saw that as an obvious crime against nature to complain. Most of them hunters BTW.

Hunting competition is meant for the deer camp. No foul in getting bragging rights in deer camp. However all over the world the estem that badge holds is weighed by the ethical standards that were considered when the animal was taken.

I dont believe it is our duty to support the low end of ethics to save our sport. I think its absolutely foolish and at the rampant pace this countires ethical standards are declining, suggesting we accept yet more low ethical standards is bordering on lunacy IMO.

lets get another thing straight these fellows who have organized this thing may very well love hunting. But what they love more than hunting itself is to get paid to hunt. This is a commerical venture, and has been from the get go. they are in this for money. The statement of promoting hunting and all that is spin doctor BS to cover their greedy intent. Honestly I would vote tomorrow a resounding yes to ban all comepetitive hunting and penned hunting endevors be it exotic or domestic wildlife.

far as Africa goes, you cant compare anything we do here to what has gone on there. they have very few stable govenrments and most of the continient is involved in some form of civil war or serious human tragedies. if shooting a rhino with a dart will save the lives of some folks so be it. But right here in the good ole USA its about nothing more than money. Money my friends is not a justified excuse for low ethical behaivor.

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I was waiting for someone else to step up and respond like I did. I thought I was the only one with balls. Good for you . You get it. Thumbs up Money talks and BS walks and its too bad that the animals get the short end. i just hope that my grand children get to see good hunting years to come. It might just be ruined by a few .

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