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That would be a pisser!  We

That would be a pisser!  We don't go there more than half a dozen times each year, but we like it for longer range shooting.  

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rumor, but maybe not

GooseHunter Jr wrote:

I heard a rumor from a credited source that they may close all recrestional shooting on the grassland lands.  Hunting would still be allowed but no target shooting.  Hope it was just someone stirring the pot but the source was a good one!!

Well considering that the DOW and Forest Service have already held meeting in the recent past regarding the banning or severe restrictions of target shooting in certain parts of the natinal forest lands I wouldn't be suprised if they are considering banning target shooting in the grasslands.  Same government agencies administer those grasslands as they do the national forests.

I even recall the Forest Service closing a popular public range at Rampart because people were shooting up junk and leaving it there without cleaning up after themselves.  Worst part was that the Forest Service waited until around the time hunters usually sight-in to close the facility for clean-up.  I think it was something like September and October of one year.

Like I said, gun ownership and shooting activities are a big responsibility.  It's in all our best interests to act accordingly and stop giving ammunition to those people who want nothing more and every excuse they can get to use that ammunition against us to infringe on our rights. 

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That really would be too bad,

That really would be too bad, considering that there are not many accessible shooting ranges in the area. We often go out to shoot in the grasslands at long range, but we have our own spots. I know the area the OP was speaking of and it seems to get more trashed each year. We stopped going there to shoot several years ago. That was more for personal protection though as the level of firearms handling knowledge of the folks there seems pretty low. The last time we went we were talking to a guy about his brand new big bad handgun when he came about two inches from blowing his own head off by accidental discharge.

 

 

 
 
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Back in school

Shutting the area down to all recreational shooting feels remarkably like the same solution elementary through high school teachers use to deal with problem students: instead of working harder to deal with the problem students, a new rule is created to try to stop the situation from being an issue in the first place.  The main issue I have with this kind of problem solving is that it really only punishes the people who were obeying the rules in the first place.  It is sad that, as a society, we never outgrow bad behavior, and that our "solutions" to bad behavior don't improve either.   Confused

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The reason that they would

The reason that they would shut it all down is enforcement.  They just don't have the man power to be out there enough to take care of the problem shooters.  So they will shut it down completely, that way if they notice anyone out there shooting then they can take care of it. 

It is a lot like poaching a elk or a deer.  I would be willing to bet that the Fish and Game departments of all the states really see very many poachers in the act. They need our help in finding the offenders and reporting them to the management office.  I personally have turned in people that I see headed into the hills with a appliance or piece of large furniture in the back of their truck.  You just need to pay attention to where they go and what their license plate is along with a description of their truck and the person driving. 

One of the biggest problems is that most people just don't want to get involved in reporting a problem.   

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So, one more article in the

So, one more article in the Denver Post.  I think this was the guy that I mentioned above that actually stuck around to try to fix his mistake.  It is interesting that the article mentions that he was cited for damaging government property but does not specifically mention being cited for damaging private property.  This fire burned at least as much private land as government land.  It is also my understanding that the fence surrounding Pawnee is actually private property, so the fence burning was more destruction of private property.  Interesting.  

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I was Just out there last wteekend 3/10

and it was very very busy!! the good thing is it was actually really cleaned up and looked like everyone was doing a great job at picking up what the brought. Also their seems to be a ranger that patrols the grasslands now! We were out there for about 4 hours and he drove by us twice and made a point to talk to everyone that was out there shooting!

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pawnee/shooting/ranger

BuckBuster26 wrote:

and it was very very busy!! the good thing is it was actually really cleaned up and looked like everyone was doing a great job at picking up what the brought. Also their seems to be a ranger that patrols the grasslands now! We were out there for about 4 hours and he drove by us twice and made a point to talk to everyone that was out there shooting!

Glad to hear it.  I think it's a good thing. If people want to shoot there then evenyone should pick up after themselves.  Too bad that "big brother" has to be patroling, but that's their job, as long as everyone is being responsible then no worries.  Besides, wardens are a great source if information and can be very helpful lot of times.  Shooting ranges are not all that plentiful along the front range nor in the Denver area, plus the ranges we do have are either private members only or way over-priced and expensive public ranges with all kinds of restrictions. Maybe if the front range had more reasonably priced public shooting ranges it would be much easier to shoot at those. 

I stopped frequenting one public range on a State Park south of Denver because the total cost to shoot just became too over the top for me.  It used to be that shooters using the range didn't have to pay a park daily use fee.  In fact Governor Owens sent out a letter stating that users of the range did not have to pay a park day use fee.  Well about 6 month later (sometime in spring of '04) they made all users of that range pay an extra day use fee. It's now as of this month $22.50 total ($15.50 range fee + $7.00 day fee) just to shoot, plus an average 2hr wait on weekends, not to mension the cost of targets and your own ammo.  I recall prior to 2004 only paying $10 a day to shoot there. Also recall at least 2 public ranges that have closed along the front range in the last few years.  In other western states people don't pay nearly what we pay in Colorado to shoot at a range for a day. I'd rather pay an average of $10 in gas to drive to and from the grasslands to shoot.

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noticed while pronghorn hunting

I hunt Pawnee every other rifle season for Pronghorn.  In doing so I've walked upon a number of hidden areas that seem to be regularly used by target shooters.  In a couple areas there exists a few natural features that provide a perfect safe lane for shooting.  Unfortunately they had been posted as closed by the USFS......yeah I've found the (long ago) pulled up posted signs laying several yards away face down.  Every makeshift shooting area I come across on foot while hunting there seems to be littered, not too badly, but enough to prove negligence on the target shooters who use the area.  It's very unfortunate.  Paper and cardboard are unsightly, but they degrade and break down rather quick.  Glass and metal objects.....they tend to remain and build up over time.  My advise to those who target shoot at Pawnee.....be respectful and be safe.  Pack out what you bring to shoot, including your hulls and brass.  Just follow the rules, they're basic safety rules, it's a small sacrafice to do so, that we all be allowed to shoot for free witout some range officer peering over your shoulder. I'm personally am peeved having to pay inflated range fees and deal with extream crowding at my local ranges all because once good areas in the nearby National Forest are slowly being closed to target shooting.

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Pawnee National Grasslands

I don't get it. Why is it so fun to blast a tv or computer out on the shooting range? I find it much more enjoyable to fill up plastic jugs with water and watch them explode. Very little scrap to retrieve also. Maybe at some of these HOT spots someone should put a barrel so people could pick up the spent cartridges they don't want and deposit them in it. I bet someone would be taking the brass home for reloading. I know everytime we go out there I pick up a bag full of brass for reloading. Then of course the idiots would shoot the crap out of the barrel or ?? is out there so that kind of scraps that idea. We used to have permission to practice on private land. We were told that there were to many of the offensive shooters (ones leaving trash) using the property so it was shut down to all. I don't blame the land owner but these jerks just keep moving on ruining it for us respectable shooters. They better not ever let me catch them. I have turned in moose pochers I wouldn't hesitate to call the law on these jerks.

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