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SoCo, it seems your knowledge of assault weapons and associated law is about as good as Civet's. Grenade launchers and SAWs are illegal.

And you might want to check the stats on how effective a .22LR is against assailants. There's a big difference between a cottontail and a 200 lb man -- especially if he's wearing heavy clothing. Hope you filed off the front sight.

John Hinckley hit four people with a .22, and all of them lived. There's a reason people who rely on firearms for defense don't carry .22s. There's an old rule in combat that says to never get in a handgun fight with a caliber that doesn't start with "4".

Geez...... you are obtuse. No duh sherlock, can you discern a little sarcasm when you see it (bout the SAW's and launchers)? I was making a point being that if you have a nuke it ain't going to be effective if you can't push the button.

Hinckley was likely shooting shorts out of a Saturday night special without extreme care to accuracy. I'd feel confident a high velocity 22 long rifle would either kill or hurt a man enough shot in the face at close range that I'd be able to get more rounds in him if needed. Also, what if your high caliber round rips through the next two walls harming a loved one. Now if I was going into a combat scenario sure, give me 45 or better, but that's a whole nother ball of wax.

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If I'm shooting someone in my house, I'm less worried about overenetration than I am about what the intruder might do to me or my family if I don't stop him.

Overpenetration can be controlled through bullet choice. I've also heard that the best load for home defense without overpenetration is number 4 buck.

But hey...your choice. And by the way -- Hinckley wasn't using shorts and I know for a fact that he hit one in the chest, one in the liver, and one in the head -- fatal shots if he'd used something bigger.

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Well, it will have to do in my case. But, with the other counter measures listed, security, where, I live, and such, worrying about it is as good as worrying about a semi truck creaming on the way to work. Anothers words I do my best to avoid it in the first place and if it happens there are so many variables at play you'll just have to do what you can do at the time.

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A heck, I agree just kinda funning at the kind of firepower thought needed in most cases. I keep my Ruger MKII 22 in the drawer of my night stand. Along with the other precautions of locking all doors and windows and making sure there locked every night, alarm, and living in a decent neighborhood, I feel that's more then enough.

Nothing is certain, but in 99.9 percent of possible cases, I believe that is enough firepower to handle an intruder provided they didn't get the jump on me. Because if they get the jump on you doesn't matter if you have a SAW machine gun in bed with you if they have a Saturday night special to your head and you're sleeping.

The only time I would feel, I'd personally need high amounts of firepower is if I knew either hardcore elements of organized crime were coming to take me out or law enforcement was coming to get me. I'm not worried about either one of those elements so feel secure with my 22. I've hit cottontails running and at distances up to fifty yards with that pistol so think I could readily sink five rounds in an intruders head across a room if need be.

I was hoping you were. Personally I don't feel I need an assault weapon for home defense. I'd be afraid of injuring family members during a break in along with the intruder. But, it's nice to have in those hardcore organized element times you discussed. Oh, and for rodents at the dump.

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Oh yeah, I almost forgot... Don't underestimate the .22's, .222's, and .25's in combat. All three have proven quite sufficient. Thumbs up

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if I remember right Hinckley was shooting a .22 cartridge with an exploding projectile wasn't he? Something like a mercury filled bullet that explodes on impact or just after penetration. "Devastators" I think they were called. Anybody else remember this?
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Getting back to the Palin Thanksgiving turkey video. I find it ridiculous that the media has made such a big deal out of it. Its so pitiful, its downright funny. Gotta keep pounding away at Palin... sheesh, when will they give up?

Do you guys need your .22 cartridge discussion split off into its own thread? How in the world did a turkey video discussion turn into a .22 cartridge discussion anyways? Think

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A .22 is a good round for a turkey, and quite a challenge to get a head shot.

As for the "devastators", none of them went off on impact...media hype of a poorly made product.

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cowgal wrote:
Getting back to the Palin Thanksgiving turkey video. I find it ridiculous that the media has made such a big deal out of it. Its so pitiful, its downright funny. Gotta keep pounding away at Palin... sheesh, when will they give up?

Do you guys need your .22 cartridge discussion split off into its own thread? How in the world did a turkey video discussion turn into a .22 cartridge discussion anyways? Think

I'll admit I saw Oberlman cover it and make fun of it a couple a times, but that's his schtick. I haven't seen it anywhere else until you guys posted it. To me no big deal I don't care other then to say it just looked stupid with the guy killing the turkey peeking over at her with that dumb smile. And one can understand to those not raised on a farm or hunters would find it a little shocking.

Oh, and I am sure many a turkey both turkey kind and human kind have been felled by a .22. Yes

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here's a post on a most "liberal" of web sites that actually compliments Ms. Palin, the pictured method of killing a turkey, Ms. Palins shooting of the meat she eats, and so on.

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/11/25/184752/51/743/666411

Most people in America have no background with where our food comes from, the small percentage who do adds up to a heck of a lot of people in aggregate.

I think Oberman is some sort of media comentator? I don't watch those guys much.

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