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The overlooked points of the 300 and 325 wsm's

I keep reading about how the wsm's don't have anything to offer that hasn't already been offered by the equivelent belted mag and they will be a dieing breed. Having owned belted mags and wsm's. I find this hard to believe.

This is a fact. The 300 wsm does not have better balistic stats than a 300 wm nor does the 325 wsm have better than the 338 wm.
What the 300 and 325 wsm's do offer is. The ability to perform with similar or identical ballistics. The 300wsm up to 180gr. The 325 up to 225gr. In a lighter and shorter rifle with 10% less powder usage and noticeably less recoil.
Shorter lighter barrel. Shorter, lighter action. Shorter, lighter round. With equivelent ballistics and less recoil. I would have to say that is quite a big offering.

Yes, if you need a 200gr in your 300 or a 250gr in your 338. The wm would be a better choice for improved balistics.

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I completely agree with your synopsis. Having recently acquired a 300 WSM, I am impressed with the level of performance it has in a rifle that lighter and arguably quicker handling than my 30-06. That is not to say that the proven belted mags are not excellent choices. Most are capable of everything a WSM can do, and then some. You just typically need a longer barrel to do it.

One thing about the 300 WSM though, I still haven't read a published load recipe that will achieve the factory claimed 3300 fps you see in ammunition companies ballistic tables.

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and you wont because they cant. the only 300wsm i had was a browning and i was getting stuck cases and split necks at 2823fps. they cant do 3300fps at all.

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i also have the 300 wsm in browning stainless stalker. and personally i couldnt care less if it cant do 3300 fps. i didnt buy the cailber for speed Laugh . with all that being said i perfer it hands down over my older 300 win mag!!! for all the same reason's stated above...happy hunting

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Both comments were interest.

I don't believe I have ever seen a claimed 3300 fps in the 300wsm. Unless they are talking about a 30" pressure barrel. In a hunting barrel 3100 would be practical.
I was averaging approximately 200 fps faster than my 30-06. The high 2900's and low 3000's with safe signs. Which put it just shy of the 300wm. With 180's and safe signs. That's still a great accomplishment with 10% less powder than the 300wm and 12% more than the 06'.

If you were blowing cases at 2823. There must have been a problem with the rifle. Sounds like head spacing. That was just rotten luck. Not the round. I don't do it but I could push my 06' close to that velocity with a 180.

I've got a little Browning. Dressed and ready to hunt it's 8 lbs. Overall it's about 2" shorter and a pound and half light than my 06. The recoil feels about the same but a bit easier on the bones. More of a push rather than a jolt. I've been told that it has to do with the way the powder burns in the short fat case. I'm sure the stock configuration also has something to do with it.

With a point blank trajectory of 3 1/2" high and low. The 300wsm reaches about 30 yds more than the 06' and 20 yds less than than the 300wm.

All in a rifle that's is one heck of a lot easier to tote around than the 300wm I once had. That is one very good accomplishment.

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if i want a light rifle i'll buy an ultra lite arms in 300wby and wont go above 6 1/2 lbs with scope. the short mags in my oppinion are a waste of time, thats just my oppinion. and as for the split cases browning is the only rifle i've had that problem with on 3 seperate occasions with factory ammo. and only one was a short mag, the others were a 270win and a 338win. maybe they should have stopped making browning instead of winchester.

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WeatherbyScott wrote:
if i want a light rifle i'll buy an ultra lite arms in 300wby and wont go above 6 1/2 lbs with scope. the short mags in my oppinion are a waste of time, thats just my oppinion. and as for the split cases browning is the only rifle i've had that problem with on 3 seperate occasions with factory ammo. and only one was a short mag, the others were a 270win and a 338win. maybe they should have stopped making browning instead of winchester.

Thanks for the input. eye roll

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sad sad sad sad sad times.

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Laugh Laugh Laugh theres not a dam thing wrong with browning ol boy. gun is only as good as the ol boy shootin er Thumbs up

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Hmm... I have a Browning 300 WSM that shoots 1/2" groups all day long and every other Browning I've been around has been comparable (at least sub MOA) with the right loads - can't say I'd want them to stop now. I have seen case splits come out of various rifles (none out of Brownings though) but these seemed to be due to over-used brass or 'rogue' reloading techniques.

And on the subject of the 300 WSM itself I can't say enough either. I think the original point of this thread was to explain that the WSM can shoot at magnum velocities without the longer barrel and long action. Why go with more length and weight than you need to? I personally hunt anywhere from the Florida brush to the open plains and alpine country of Montana, and the 300 WSM fits the bill in every situation without any compromise in accuracy, portability, handling, or power - that's the real beauty of the deal.

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