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Expat's recent post about leadership really got me thinking about how few American Presidents have actually suceeded in uniting this country during trying times. Presidents like FDR come to mind as one who seemed to be successful at doing so. Then I came across this article from Pat Buchanan today. Surely Obama has failed so far if we take all things into consideration. Is American coming apart? This article does make one wonder. http://townhall.com/columnists/PatBuchanan/2009/09/11/is_america_coming_...

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It does feel like America is coming apart. Or at least there is a very large chasm between the right and left. Obama appears to be taking any criticism of himself and his admin very personally, which in turn results in an even wider divide. He gets his jabs in all the time about Fox, the right and what he claims is propagation of misinformation by the conservatives. He's not doing anything to unite this country or to work on the problems at hand. He's very singleminded in what he wants and hammers away at it, instead of realizing that the right does have valid concerns and they should be addressed, discussed and ultimately hopefully resolved. He's got to acknowledge that its not going to be a 100% his way, that's not what this country is about. Its about working together and compromise. The sooner he figures that out, the quicker things will get done.

Wednesday night when giving his Obamacare speech (yet again!) he sternly noted that he would only consider discussing with allies to his plan and those that did not outright oppose it. Now that's what I call reaching across the aisle and working on a compromise! NOT! He came across as an impetuous child that is liable to throw a fit if he doesn't get his way. Very unbecoming for a world leader.

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The problem is this notion of diversity being good. I've heard talk from immigration supporters about remembering that America is the "melting pot of the world" and how diversity is good.

Well, diversity can be good but it can also be bad. In the early days of our country, diverstity was good because everyone wanted to be an American and shared the same ideals and goals.

Today it is bad because we are diverse not only in our ethnic heritage, our religion and race, we are diverse in our beliefs our goals and there is not sense of being an American. I am african-american, I am hispanic-american, latino-american and so on.

Diversity is wonderful, but it can also be devastating for a country as I believe it is for ours. A football team is diverse. You have blockers, a passer, a kicker defensive players and offensive players and when the work together you score touchdowns. But the "America" football team has the same players, but they can't agree on whether to pass, run or kick so every play you have each doing their own thng and they are losing and can't figure out why.

We need to figure out who America is and then all work toward that goal.

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It was certainly true that in the past America was great because of it's diversity, not inspite of it. Yet segrigation existed very commonly. Yet in the past immigrants came here to be American, realized that the American dream had to be earned, and were both proud to be American, and greatful to this county. They realized what America stood for, what it was founded on, and wanted to be a part of it.

Believe it or not even a great many of the godfathers of organized crime were known for being greatfull to this country for the opporunities allowed them and proud to fly the US flag. Same goes for some of the early kingpin drug lords of the 1960's and early 70's.

Fast forward to the 21st century and immigrants prove to be simply advantageous. Here when things are great, gone back home when the economy crashes. Sure they are plenty glad to accept what the US has to give them in good times, then jump ship when it's not convenient for them to stand behind the USA. I get pissed of when I hear immigrants trying to tell me how to interpret our Constitution Brick Wall,)

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The problem is not the immigrants . Its lazy americans living off the system. Being in an ag job I meet a lot of Mexicans working on farms . The farmers could put all the signs they want out for help wanted and both black and white people would rather get a HUD check to pay their rent and live off the system . The farmer is stuck because he needs the help and some jack ass in washington is going to decide how rural america lives . We are a nation not divided by dems and republicans but city folks and people living in the country . If you look at the last presidential election at where the votes of Obama came from city areas .Even in Pa Obama lost most of the state but won on a cocentration of people in Philadelphia. These people have no clue what people do to farm and feed this country , they think food comes from the stamps the welfare office gives them to go to a grocery store with. While this administation moves toward a socialist government like Europe , Europe is voting in a more conservative government because they realize it wasnt working the other way. What we need to do isthe same thing that the French farmers did and starve the citys . I dont know the answer but I do beleive things will get a lot worse under this admin. This whole economy getting better is a smoke and mirror show . The growth in this economy this summer was companys cutting labor costs plus operating off of existing inventory. The unemployment numbers are worse not better , people are only counted when they file a claim . When their benefits run out they cant file , so they cant be counted. Wait till January of this comingyear and then see where we are at.

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PS . Im sorry if I offended anyone with my prvious posts but this is a very emotional thing for me because Im amazed where this country is heading.

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tonyoneword1 wrote:
PS . Im sorry if I offended anyone with my prvious posts but this is a very emotional thing for me because Im amazed where this country is heading.

I agree about the lazy Americans who live off the system. And like it or not, we have made immigrants a nessesary part of our economy. Few Americans today are doing the type of hard work that you do shoeing horses. I sure am pleased and impressed when I hear that there are still Americans making a living as you are. Those skills are quickly dying out among Americans.

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tonyoneword1 wrote:
PS . Im sorry if I offended anyone with my prvious posts but this is a very emotional thing for me because Im amazed where this country is heading.

That was an excellent post Tony and I believe right on target! Thumbs up Thumbs up

The government in this country has devided the country thru the use of welfare. As for the socialist life in Europe, it's been here for years. The good of the many always wins out over the good of the one. The only people having a hard time now are the people that desire to work for a living.

The economy getting better is smoke and mirror's. All it show's is that if government throws around a bunch of money it can make it appear something good happened. The problem is when they quit it's the same ol same ol. To see an improvement in the economy we will need to see consumers spending their own money! Don't look for the economy to return to what is was anytime in the near future. It was an economy fortified with bad credit! By the way, all that money the government pumped into the economy, we'll have to pay it back ourselves!

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Don the worse part is that the money that the government is throwing around is money this country doesnt have . This is debt increases that our kids and grand kids will inherit. In two monthes this summer this admistration spent more money then Bush did in 8 years. They are litterally just printing money with nothing to back it up. The biggest increase in jobs was in Washington which produces nothing . The US dollar has gone down steadily since January it went from .87 to. 76 . Just because the stocks have gone up means nothing it takes more dollars to buy everything. That is a weaker dollar not a more valuable stock. The more government jobs created the more wasted tax money we will have. And why does every stimulus include millions for groups like acorn .? Because if you throw money at welfare recepiants they will be dependant upon the government and continue to vote them into office.

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I'm normally skeptical of wikipedia, but I'll post this link because the chart is more accessible there than in the Census report pdf file. I've verified that the chart is in the Census report and is valid -- the link to the government report is in the article.

We've spent billions if not trillions on welfare since Johnson expanded entitlement programs as part of his "Great Society". What has it got us? Look at the "Number in Poverty and Poverty Rate" chart. You'll note that poverty was declining steeply until Johnson's massive expansion of entitlement programs in the mid '60s. Since then, the poverty rate has essentially remained unchanged.

All that money we've spent on welfare hasn't done a thing to reduce poverty in this country. All it has done is make it more comfortable for people to stay impoverished.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poverty_in_the_United_States