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Can there possibly be anything more annoying than whiney, mouthy, liberal college students?

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,505247,00.html

"We're hoping to raise awareness of the attack on critical thinking and academics around the nation for their unpopular speech or writings," said organizer Aaron Smith. "Bill Ayers and Ward Churchill have been similarly targeted for their unpopular political beliefs."

-my favorite part.

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I was at someones house today and saw a painting by Churchill, (it was being moved from a closet to another location) I thought he was a history professor so I asked about it. The painting was of some water buffalos. I guess Ward was one of those fellows that claim he was in the war in Vietnam special forces and all, totally untrue, or so I was told. I was pretty amused. Military fakers are a class unto themselves.

I also ran across a William Ayers factet in reading yesterday. Someone was saying his approve/disaprove matches Rush Limbaugh's, my immeadiate thought was a lot of people must dislike Ayers.

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Yeah...it's really tough to like a guy like Ayers, since he ran a terrorist cell and all. Nasty stuff, too -- even putting nails into some of the bombs. Timothy McVeigh bombed one federal building, got the death penalty, and rightly earned his place as one of history's villains. Ayers bombed two federal buildings (capitol and Pentagon), and is unrepentant about it -- he's even said he "wished they had done more." And yet he's defended by the left and gets book deals and speaking engagements. Go figure. Right-wing terrorism gets you the death penalty; left-wing terrorism gets you university tenure and the ear of a president.

You'd like him, though, Civet...he and his folks bombed the Pentagon in '71 to protest US involvement in Laos.

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You'd like him, though, Civet...he and his folks bombed the Pentagon in '71 to protest US involvement in Laos.

Sixty people a year are still dying. Not from land mines, there are almost none, but from unexploded bombies, those small round things they drop out of planes. Yet the Lao people bear no ill will towards Americans, even the ones who dropped the bombs. They have the largness of heart to realise that was another day and another time. Many many US veterans of that war are working as unpaid volunteers today, in Laos.

For every person who dies perhaps three are just maimed permanently. Blinded, missing limbs, cripled.

The United States through the embasy is the largest contributer monetarily, to UXO removal. It's an area where we and the Lao government have worked closely together for a long time. We, besides providing funds, monitor how money is spent so that none gets lost in corruption. The training of the mostly Laotian personel is very good.

If more people of concience had joined Bill Ayers in trying to stop the secret war in Laos the people dying today would be less, and the people dying tomorrow, and next week, next month, next year and for years on end into the future, would be less.

Bill Ayers killed no one.

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You have to ask yourself why we got involved in the first place. If the North Vietnamese had not decided to use Laos as a supply staging ground, then we probably would not have been dropping bombs there, would we? Quit blaming the US for being the worlds policeman. Maybe other lesser countries should try holding their own for a change!!! Maybe if South Vietnam had stepped up to the plate more and taken their roll more serious, then we wouldn't have had to be operating in that part of the world. Who ever thought communism would be a good idea anyway??? Oh by the way, I think Laos has had more than their fair share of extreamists and savages who were more than willing to kill and sloughter their own people. Yeah I'm sure the Pathet Lao were such great nice friendly folks eh? They probably caused more slaughter and bloodshed than all our bombs combined. We're not to blame for all those problems.

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You'd like him, though, Civet...he and his folks bombed the Pentagon in '71 to protest US involvement in Laos.

Sixty people a year are still dying. Not from land mines, there are almost none, but from unexploded bombies, those small round things they drop out of planes. Yet the Lao people bear no ill will towards Americans, even the ones who dropped the bombs. They have the largness of heart to realise that was another day and another time. Many many US veterans of that war are working as unpaid volunteers today, in Laos.

For every person who dies perhaps three are just maimed permanently. Blinded, missing limbs, cripled.

The United States through the embasy is the largest contributer monetarily, to UXO removal. It's an area where we and the Lao government have worked closely together for a long time. We, besides providing funds, monitor how money is spent so that none gets lost in corruption. The training of the mostly Laotian personel is very good.

If more people of concience had joined Bill Ayers in trying to stop the secret war in Laos the people dying today would be less, and the people dying tomorrow, and next week, next month, next year and for years on end into the future, would be less.

Bill Ayers killed no one.

You're not really taking up for Bill Ayers, are you?

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Western I suggest you read my post more carefully, I blame no one. I also suggest you follow the example of our ex servicemen and the Lao people and expand your understanding. Simplistic ideas get us into messes everytime.

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If more people of concience had joined Bill Ayers in trying to stop the secret war in Laos the people dying today would be less, and the people dying tomorrow, and next week, next month, next year and for years on end into the future, would be less.

Bill Ayers killed no one.

I keep reading that very carefully, and I can't interpret it any other way than you sticking up for Bill Ayers.

What about the '69 riot in Chicago? 28 policemen injured, six weathermen shot, and 68 people arrested. Then there's the molotov cocktails thrown at the home of a NY supreme court justice. Then there's the premature explosion in Greenwich Village that killed three weathermen. Ayers claims that they took great steps to avoid hurting anyone. And yet that bomb was stuffed with nails, Civet -- what do you think those nails were for? Besides, there's no way you can place a bomb in a public place and guarantee no one's going to get hurt.

And by the way, it's still TERRORISM. People of conscience don't commit acts of terrorism.

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civetcat wrote:
Western I suggest you read my post more carefully, I blame no one. I also suggest you follow the example of our ex servicemen and the Lao people and expand your understanding. Simplistic ideas get us into messes everytime.

I've read yoru post very carefully and it's very clear that you site bombs that we dropped there for all death and damage done long after they were dropped. How am I to interpret that you are not blaming anyone. You're the one who made the statement about our bombs being dropped. It's also very clear in your post that you are sticking up for and taking the side of Bill Ayers.

As far as following the example of a few ex-servicemen and joinging your cause. May I suggest that the Pathet Lao and former North Vietnam communists owe a larger debt to helping repair Laos.

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I suppose Ayres and Churchill have just as much right to voice thier own opinions (political or not) as unpopular as those opinions may be. It's a protected right. Bottom line is that Ayers went several steps farther by engaged in terrorism and criminal activity, which goes well beyond the 1st Amendment rights.

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WesternHunter wrote:
I suppose Ayres and Churchill have just as much right to voice thier own opinions (political or not) as unpopular as those opinions may be. It's a protected right. Bottom line is that Ayers went several steps farther by engaged in terrorism and criminal activity, which goes well beyond the 1st Amendment rights.

As evidenced by his many posts, civetcat does not care what the Constitution says.
It is his belief, in my opinion, that it is what the government TELLS us that is important.
Bill Aryers is a self proclaimed terrorist and you support him but trash Bush as a terrorist?

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