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I am planning our first elk hunt and have a question.
Is there any advantage for applying for a low preference point (1 or 2 points) unit verses an over-the-counter tag for a bull? I do plan on saving points for a hunt years from now but would like to try one next year and don't have any points at the moment.

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Really depends on what kind of hunt you want. Also, be aware that you can apply for a first and second choice. So, what I do is, every year I apply for a hunt that requires a lot of points as my first choice. I don't get it, so I get a preference point (now have 4). But I also apply for a second choice that is much easier to draw and have always gotten that. End result is that I get a limited hunt, but I also get a preference point. One of these years I'll finally get to hunt the very limited, trophy area.

That's the strategy I recommend unless none of the easy to draw, but limited, hunts appeals to you. Then you might as well just apply for the very limited hunt you really want, take the preference point, and buy an OTC tag.

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The answer is no, unless you want to build preference points for the future starting now.

If your trying to build preference points, do what Don suggested. The sooner you start the sooner you'll get your high preference point hunt....

If you really don't care if you get a point or not this year, I'd just apply for a low preference unit and then you have your tag before the season starts.

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Thanks for the replies, gives me a direction to proceed.

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lombo
there is a distinct advantage in Colorado to appling for a preference point unit, low or high.The limited draw units offer much better odds at killing a good trophy bull with a lot less hunting pressure and not seeing orange behind every tree. Don and Bit are correct in what they say about points, etc. The bottom line is it is the difference from a quality hunt to quanity solution. OTC units are fair in hunting, but all limited units offer much more in mature bull elk and lots of them, if you draw a license. Also, don't appy for a specific unit, instead apply for a "preference point only" and hunt a over the counter unit. This saves hunts for the guys who really want to hunt a limited draw unit.

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Have you ever thought about doing a guided hunt and utilize a land owners voucher. I have an outfitter in unit 61 that has some land owner vouchers every year if you book early enough. That way you get to hunt a quality trophy unit and you don't have to wait 8 years to do it.

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Lombo, if a ranch voucher or guide interests you, I would contact the Colorado Outfitters Assoc for a list of current members, as well as which members are in good standing, meaning no violations or compaints against them. Colorado has an abundance of ranchers & guides, no need to go via a booking agent.

What area of Colorado are you interested in? I'm sure someone on this board can point you in the right direction.

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lombo,

You have been given really good advice. By all means, apply for the Preference Point. It took me 15 years to draw for the area I wanted to hunt. Cowgal also offers good advice, as there are many guides and outfitters in Colorado.

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" Lombo, if a ranch voucher or guide interests you, I would contact the Colorado Outfitters Assoc for a list of current members, as well as which members are in good standing, meaning no violations or complaints against them. Colorado has an abundance of ranchers & guides, no need to go via a booking agent. "

Why not go via a booking agent? Seems to me anybody with half a brain would use an agency who has already researched and reviewed and checked references to compile a data base of quality outfitters they represent to find you a quality outfitter. I agree with the part of checking the Colorado Outfitters Association,
(We Do before we will represent an outfitter)but the part against using a booking agency especially a free one like ours doesn't make a bit of sense to me and honestly bad advise.
Oh by the way, I know of outfitters who are listed right now in good standing with the Colorado Outfitters Association under their wife's name who have already lost their license in their name due to shoddy outfitting practices so you can still get burnt by checking the COA if you don't do your homework. Cowgal think before you give an opinion, especially if you don't know a thing about booking agencies, especially a honest one like ours who has done their homework. I'll put our outfitter in unit 61 (Garvey Brothers Outfitters) up against any of the others. Contact me LOMBO if you want a great outfitter.

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On 2004-02-15 20:48, SJ wrote:
Why not go via a booking agent? Seems to me anybody with half a brain would use an agency who has already researched and reviewed and checked references to compile a data base of quality outfitters they represent to find you a quality outfitter. I agree with the part of checking the Colorado Outfitters Association,
(We Do before we will represent an outfitter)but the part against using a booking agency especially a free one like ours doesn't make a bit of sense to me and honestly bad advise.
Oh by the way, I know of outfitters who are listed right now in good standing with the Colorado Outfitters Association under their wife's name who have already lost their license in their name due to shoddy outfitting practices so you can still get burnt by checking the COA if you don't do your homework. Cowgal think before you give an opinion, especially if you don't know a thing about booking agencies, especially a honest one like ours who has done their homework.

I'll stick to my recommendation. A person can also check with this website:
http://www.dora.state.co.us/pls/real/ARMS_Search.Disclaimer_Page
which is the Colorado Division of Registrations. You can search by outfitter # or by name to see if a person or business is properly licensed and/or if they have any type of complaints on file against them. It is the official state licensing board. The COA is a statewide organization, however it is not the official state licensing agency.

Another small tip, check out the license # if its a high number, over 2000 (CO has 2300+ licensed outfitters) you might want to do a bit more research the high number would indicate the outfitter is fairly new to the business and just recently received his license. This does not mean its a problem, just that you should do your homework. A low number indicates they've been in business for at least several years. The DORA database can tell you exactly what date they first registered.

I know this does not guarantee getting a "good" outfitter, however it will help filter out the bad ones.

And though a booking agent may offer their service for free to the hunter, its not free to the outfitter, someone ends up paying their fee. If you do your homework, you don't need a booking agent.

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I agree with cowgal and also would like to add an important part to this discussion.
Any outfitter worth his salt has his hunters booked in a year in advance, by "word of mouth" advertising with past clients. Booking agents are for"newbees"

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