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Oregon Game Commission & Raffle Hunts

If you take a historical perspective of who wins these raffle drawings it is historically easy to find repeat winners. That's fine with me, but the original intent of these raffle tags was to extend opportunities to the average rank and file hunter to experience some very coveted hunts. What we are experiencing is a handful of folks that purchase so many tickets that although they can't 'wheel' the drawing they are coming close enough to pop up year after year. This appears equitable on its face, but is it really? When I first realized that the same names were coming up all the time (Bernards is a good example) I had a fleeting fear that maybe the sanctity of the drawing was being compromised, but that's not a good thought and obviously erroneous. It's a simple math equation. Buy enough tickets and you can almost have overwhelming odds of winning. I don't intend to take anything away from the guys spending all the money (all of us Thank You), but I truly wish the commission would cap the number one party can purchase. Most of us out here that have been watching over the years are frankly done buying any raffle tickets because of the odds being so skewed that it doesn't make sense. May as well just send in a contribution. This wasn't the original intent. This raffle process has become the playground of the rich. Several of the folks I know. When you are in on the ground floor of the developement of the MRI or own a large lumber company your disposable income is large enough to withstand the small odds of the few average sportsman still buying raffle tickets. I'm never buying another one. If I was the game commission I would cap the number one party could buy and advertise it. I think you would get enough average Joe sportsman to come back to the table to make up the difference once they realize they again have a chance. As it is now the system needs a fresh group of hunters who really don't understand what's going on to buy tickets and take up the slack for those of us that have had enough. As it is now, I have purchased my last raffle ticket. It just doesn't make sense. Please do not think that I begrudge those buying all the tickets. Of course you would if you had the chance, but that wasn't the intent. Go bid on an auction and leave us poor bastards that have 12 preference points for elk to suffer quietly wondering whether we'll be too old to hunt Wenaha when we finally draw.

If you think I full of it check the historical records of the names of the folks who get these raffle tags. It should really be called an auction. I am willing to bet that Bill Gates could get almost all these tags on a yearly basis if he had just a little bit of luck along with a bunch of money. I don't think that's what ODFW was after.

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Oregon Big Game Hunt Changes

the latest eastmans has a letter that kind of follows your post.

I personally see both sides. Depends on what the intent of the raffle is. To make money or give every one fair chance. 2 different objectives.

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Oregon Big Game Hunt Changes

I didn't know that. I missed my Eastmans issue this time. Kinda scary to think someone might be thinking like me. I see both sides too. I wasn't trying to offend anyone or speak ill of fellow sportsmen. I assume that ODFW is mostly interested in the money so I doubt they wish to rock the boat if it's working for them. Hard to tell if they would make more money one way or the other, but I do know I would purchase tickets if I thought I had a realistic chance and so would a lot of my partners. I think the potential for a sizeable pool of contributors is out there that would likely exceed the expeditures of a few if most of us had not been trained by what we're watching to simply forego buying any anymore. At this point we are all just resigned to step aside and just let them pretty much buy it year after year. I don't know whether the main players communicate or what, but they do mix up what they are going after from year to year.

I think the idea that these folks have is to simply try to establish over a 50-50% chance in the drawing which is a sizeable investment, but perhaps less than an auction. They either get it or they don't but I can't justify throwing a hundred bucks in the pool with odds that long. It's likely that if I had the capability I might consider the same approach, but somehow I think it just simply misses the boat. I would not go so far as to call it greedy because it does serve the worthy purpose of game management. But it sorta takes the fun out of it for the fairly average guy when you know you're just dreaming. Hunting really is what you make it.