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Hammer1 wrote:
Winchester bullets are junk and the pic proves it. Not only would I not use them , I will not hunt with anyone who does.

Quality Control at its finest

I do not know what caused such a strong opinion on your behalf, but winchesters have done me fine in the past, and will in the future.
I would like to know a little more about the bullet pictured.
If recovered from game it probably did its job, no?
My first thought is maybe the wrong "type" of bullet was chosen, rather than mfg.

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The "bullet case" was recovered in the fur(entrance wound) of a black bear. I posted the whole story last fall, but not sure under what section and can't immediately locate it but will search again .

The Infamous Winchester Supreme bullet is now so proudly displayed in a jewelled case that it so rightly deserves.
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midwesthunter wrote:
just use an 375 HH then it doesnt mater if its a perfect shot. you want enough power to be able to go threw the guts to get to the vitas if needed

still need bullet placement, no matter what you shoot.......... thats the kind of talk that got weatherby a bad rep back when they were developed(it doesnt matter were you hit them they drop shame shame)..
the 7stw has plenty of power to reach vitals from bad angles but shouldnt we try for a better angle instead??? Thumbs up

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I wouldn't use a ballistic tip or a gameking for elk especailly out of an STW. The velocity is to high for rapid expansion bullets & i agree with others use a 160gr or above bullet. I prefer Nosler Partitons for large big boned elk. The rapid expansion bullets are fine for deer size game but they can blow-up on impact at high velocities especially if you hit a shoulder bone.

I used to use Winchester Failsafes in my 270 & never had any problem with penetration. The ballistic tip is known for blowing up just like the one in your picture.

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my dad and i both used the ballistic tip for elk last year mine was the 180gr out of my 30-378wby and his out of his 7stw it was the 150gr. and yes we both hit shoulder bone mine exited the right shoulder and his went throw the right stopped against the left shoulder they performed great..... Thumbs up ..
i'm not a fan of the ballistic tip but it worked, my usual loads are with the speer trophy bonded bear claw,,, i hate barnes bullets even the triple shock....... Yes
i load all my dads ammo for the STW and i have yet to see a blow up from it he use's it for bear deer elk moose and caribou.... the only other load we use is with the swift a-frame for the STW. Thumbs up

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Gents, thanks for all the input. One reason I am leaning towards the 140 grain in the STW is that they seems to pattern better on paper. Also I like the ability to have a quick follow up shot with the bolt of the Model 70 over the single shot Encore. Accuracy wise the 308 is a touch more accurate but I have made some nice one shot kills on deer with the STW at 300+ yards utilizing a bipod of course.
The swift a-frame from what I have read seems to be quite a show stopper. Remingtons shoot well for me and according to the ballistics chart on the box they seem to have decreased the velocity in the STW to allow for better expansion of the bonded bullet I presume.
Hammer1, I have used the 160 Sierra BT on deer sized game and have had mixed results. Fragmenting has typically been the issue so that bullet is a no go for me for elk.

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For what it is worth, and though I have never tried them on Elk, I would stay away from the Ballistic tips myself considering what's available.
I haven't been drawn enough on Elk here to have tried a large number of different bullets (30-06 off the shelf ammo) on Elk, but once I eventually tried the Nosler Partitions (Federal) I have stuck with them. I'm sure there are others that perform well too, but I am sold on the Partitions for Elk. The worst performing bullet I ever used on an Elk was the Remington Cor-lokt(?), though I got good groups at the range with it. The Winchester ammunition didn't shoot as well (groups) as other off the shelf ammo from my rifle, a Browning A-bolt, so I have not tried them (both the regular and premium brands).
I have used the Nosler Ballistic tips before on whitetail deer with good success though. I've just read often that that round is better for smaller game like deer etc.
My 2 cents. Good luck and have fun.

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And exactly whats wrong with the good old tried and true Remington Core Lokt? That bullet has probably brought down more elk than all of the newer so called "Premium" bullets put together. I've personally used it out of an '06 for over 35 years and my son has used it regularly in his high velocity 300 Ultra Mag every year since the caliber came out. Neither of us has ever had a bullet failure on an elk and we've dropped plenty of them from 12 yrds. to 350 yrds.

A $1.00 Trophy Bonded Bear Claw in the butt won't do the trick; a $0.30 Core Lokt in the boiler room with take 'em down every time. Practice makes perfect and I can afford to shoot 3 times as many practice rounds with the Core Lokt. Besides I've tried a few of the different "Premium" bullets on elk over the years.
Couldn't tell the difference from a Remington Core Lokt. Dead is Dead. The old Core Lokt gets good penetration, is accurate in every rifle I own, and holds together well even at high velocity and close range. Just forms a beautiful mushroom every time.

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91xlt wrote:
Hammer1 wrote:
Winchester bullets are junk and the pic proves it. Not only would I not use them , I will not hunt with anyone who does.

Quality Control at its finest

I do not know what caused such a strong opinion on your behalf, but winchesters have done me fine in the past, and will in the future.
I would like to know a little more about the bullet pictured.
If recovered from game it probably did its job, no?
My first thought is maybe the wrong "type" of bullet was chosen, rather than mfg.

Winchester has always worked in the past for me and ive had good luck with their 30.06 bullets but for hunting with a LR yes i would use it but its a cheap ammo and its a good quality but ya there are better bullets for a higher price.

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Sounds to me HuntnFish that you are already leaning towards a great choice.

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