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CVC wrote:
Hey Bzzboyz, welcome and tell me a little about the hunt on public land. Sounds like fun.

Thanks. Just posted it here.

http://www.biggamehunt.net/node/19650

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welcome bzzboyz. I enjoyed the story. Was that out west of big bend park? I have yet to go for aoudad but hope to soon. I am heading out Thursday night for my fourth try for nilgai over the weekend, so hopefully my luck changes this time. Exotic hunting on 12,000 acres of the King ranch sounds so good. cool

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kevin davis wrote:
welcome bzzboyz. I enjoyed the story. Was that out west of big bend park? I have yet to go for aoudad but hope to soon. I am heading out Thursday night for my fourth try for nilgai over the weekend, so hopefully my luck changes this time. Exotic hunting on 12,000 acres of the King ranch sounds so good. cool

No. It's about 30 miles north of Del Rio between Del Rio and Sonora. It was a draw hunt from the TPW booklet.

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I hunted in the Ft. Davis Mtns of west Texas a few years ago for aoudad and took a nice ram. The sheep are free ranging and it is rugged country. A fair chase hunt.

My next exotic hunt that I hope to take will be to Argentina where you can hunt totally free ranging fair chase for black buck, axis and red deer.....not to mention wild boar, some fallow deer and South American puma or mountain lion.

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trouthunter wrote:
I wouldn't say killing exotic animals is hunting. Just an opinion.

Trouthunter, it is evident you are looking for a donny-brook, but that is not my reason for replying to your post. My reason is to let those who may not know, you included, that a fence is not all that is needed to make a shooting in a cage, canned hunt! The size of the property behind that fence is not as much a factor as one might think, either. Let me explain!

For example, lets take Two 1000 acre plots, behind high fence, that is perfectly square. One with no trees, and only two foot high grass. The other with trees, brush, hills, gullies, rock outcroppings, under brush, with a couple of creek arms running through it . In each of these two properties we place about one deer per 5 acres, that is 200 deer, of which 1/3 rd are shootable bucks.

In the 100 acres with only grass, and flat, what you have is exactly 100 acres of surface area, with no cover, bedding areas, or escape routes. Additionally one could,convievably, tae a stand in the exact center of this property, and with a good rifle, hit a deer standing any place on that 1000 acres. To me this would be a shooting, not a hunt, and could be called CAGED, but not a HUNT ! Still most who would shoot a deer under these conditions, probably wouldn’t be able to hit a deer there, because someone who would be there is too lazy to practice.
On the second property, the legal outside measurement is 1000 acres, however, if this land was flattened out, the surface area my be five times that 1000 acres, of surface. Add to that, the fact that game has only to move a short distance to be out of sight, and out of sight, is as good as being ten miles away. In this property there are hidden bedding areas, water courses through the property, so the deer doesn’t have to depend on a single water place, food is plentiful, and escape routes are as well. The land is more than the normal range of a whitetail deer. One thing most who decide what is good, or bad about hunting , do not know is, a whitetail deer lives, and dies within about one mile from where he was born, in his natural range, regardless of fence or not. What this indicates to me is, if the property has food, water, escape routes, bedding, and cover, and not over populated, then the fenced area that is larger than his natural range, cannot be a canned hunt, and long as the deer are not hand fed, and tame, or drugged, before being released in the property, and have a few weeks to learn the property, no canned shoot is taking place here.
What I’m saying is the size in combination with a high fence, can be very misleading, and those two conditions alone, do not a canned hunt make! Some very large places may be easier than a smaller place with the proper habitat, and placing a minimum size limit to make it legal, or illegal is not a true assessment of the value of the hunting on a property, with high fence. Some animals, IMO, are not good in areas where they can’t migrate. Things like ELK are far more effected by the high fence than other animals, unless the property is VERY LARGE, regardless of cover, and food, because their natural range is so large, but most so-called exotics are not bound by migration, and are faire chase, if the conditions are met within the property!
Most of the species in exotic hunting ranches would have been extinct many years ago, if not for the monetary value placed on them for hunting, and as long as they are valuable, they will not be shot out!
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ditto from the other forum on exotics. i would love some of the exotic bashers to go to the native countries and even find some of these fine animals there, many are nearly extinct in their home countries. look at wildlife in kenya!! when there is no value, there is no conservation. here, they are very valuable and thus there is conservation and even proliferation. Mr. Cool!

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DUGABOY1 wrote:
trouthunter wrote:
I wouldn't say killing exotic animals is hunting. Just an opinion.

In the 1000 acres with only grass, and flat, what you have is exactly 1000 acres of surface area, with no cover, bedding areas, or escape routes. Additionally one could,convievably, tae a stand in the exact center of this property, and with a good rifle, hit a deer standing any place on that 1000 acres. To me this would be a shooting, not a hunt, and could be called CAGED, but not a HUNT ! Still most who would shoot a deer under these conditions, probably wouldn’t be able to hit a deer there, because someone who would be there is too lazy to practice.
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I tried to edit a mistake in my post, but found you can't make corrections after someone has responded to a post! I don't know the value of that feature, but in this case it was to correct the two mistakes I made writing 100 acres, rather than 1000 acres in the two BOLD changes in the third paragraph in my origenal post! Oops! .

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After browsing around on this board for some time, I decided to register so I could talk with everyone and hopefully gain some new info on hunting, where to hunt, different species, etc. Everyone seems very knowledgeable for the most part and there are some very useful tips and info to be found here.

That being said, I couldn't help but notice (as an occasional exotic hunter) this topic. I've done a great deal of hunting both inside a fenced preserve or ranch, as well as in "fair chase" situations. It has been my experience that, as mentioned here and elsewhere before, most who criticize the high fenced ranches and hunters who go there have obviously never been themselves. Of the two places I regularly hunt that are high fenced, I can honestly say that you wouldn't even know it was there, based on the behavior of the animals and based on the fact that you never see it.

I was unsure what to expect the 1st time I went to one of these places. Luckily I've yet to have a bad experience at one (such as letting an animal out in a smaller enclosure in front of you to shoot, or riding a fence line in the truck and picking out the one you want and shooting). My reasons for going are simple and logical: if I'm going to spend my hard earned money and time to get on a plane (or drive for hours) and go out of state to an outfitter and hunt the desired species of game, I'm not going to come back empty-handed because "well, we just didn't see any" or "I didn't see anything but small bulls/bucks". That's not for me. Don't get me wrong, I love the outdoors as much as the rest, but honestly, I don't love it so much that I'm willing to spend thousands to go somewhere and MAYBE we'll see some animals. When there's a lot of money at stake I'd at least like to know for sure that I'll have the opportunity to take a shot-if I'm successful or not is essentially up to me and my abilities in the end though.

I'm not out to change anyone's mind and send new business to a high fenced ranch-you're entitled to your opinions and I'm entitled to mine. I think what's much more important to realize is that we all enjoy hunting WHEREVER you choose to go and whatever your idea of hunting is, so with that in mind more people should try and stay together on that common issue-we have plenty of anti-gun, anti-hunting groups/politicians out there who'd like to see the whole sport done away with entirely. That is a far more important issue than who kills behind a high fence and who does not.

Just my $.02

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Caged hunt in West Texas?

The fence is not to keep the animals in. It is there to protect you from the animals. The pastures here are so big that you have trouble finding the animals.

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I am a rancher...... that is right a rancher. I raise angus cattle and also hunt my land for extra income. We are 3700 acres under high fence since the late 50's. I have read every post here and yes there is caged hunts out there. I have axis, black buck, fallow and audade. I have never bought an animal, they have all come in thru holes or downed fence.

I have axis pushing 40 inches and some I see only once a year. Yes, once a year. Anyone saying that a high fenced place is a caged hunt is insane. We have a high fence to protect our animals from smaller places that shoot just about everything. You come to my place you will see a large assortment of game and most of gold metal statis. I understand most peoples views here, rather right or wrong, everyone is intitled to an opinion. But to say if it is high fenced then it is a caged hunt..........well you be the judge.

I have hunted all over the united states from elk to mule deer and have seen some great ranches and outfitters to seeing or hearing of alot of bad ones as well. You must do your home work and look at references when you choose to book a hunt. Who in there right mind would want to hunt a 60 acre high fenced place? There is no sport in that............but do not say that thousands of acres is the same. Be careful who you choose to hunt with and book smart. I do not have a website or advertise much..... all my hunts are word of mouth and I think that speaks volumes. If your buddy comes home and tells you about this amazing place that is high fenced and 3700 acres and how great of a time he had and how hard the hunting was but look at what I finally took......does that not speak highly of a place. I live in the texas hill country and there are becoming lots of small places to hunt, but you choose the hunt not them. People pay these small places and this keeps them in business. All I am saying is, choose wisley...........

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