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Well its about what it amounts to. Mr. Cool!

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i don't see a problem with some high fenced hunting, it depends on the situation.

i've been on a high fence hunt for hogs. but when you see the fences, they ain't doing a dang bit of good keeping the hogs in... they more or less keep hunters out. it was a pretty large place down south, where hogs run crazy anyways. if somebody wants to protect what they have... go for it... but if the animals grows up in a peting zoo... well, that's not sporting.

part of the "trophy" in trophy hunting , to me at least, is being skilled enough to outsmart not only the animal, but all the other hunters who've tried to take that animal. i hunt a lot of public land, and never have a problem killing trophy quality animals. you have to do a lot of research, and hunt smart, but it's possible in every state. to me, those tough hunted animals are much better trophies than private land animals. so where do we draw the line? can a private land whitetail, who's never seen a hunter be as hard to hunt as a savy public land buck? it's all relative.

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also to consider, is the biology behind these animals' behavior. an average whitetail can easily live it's lifespan inside of 1.5 square miles, or about 960 acres. mule deer are slightly more, at about 1.75-2.0 square miles (just over 1000 acres) this has been carefully studied by radio-tracking. and the majority of the data is available online from various universities (Montanna, and Wyoming have done similar type research with pronghorn.)

in eastern states, these numbers are greatly reduced due to the abundance of cover and food. whereas a whitetail in KS may need c. 1,000 acres to adequately provide it's needs, an Ohio whitetail needs roughly 300 acres of habitat. and 300 acres can sustain the numbers of 6 deer per acre (this is not my own information, i believe it is close to 2 deer per acre)

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Great post Humpinbuck Thumbs up

I've never hunted whitetails in a non-free ranging environment. With that being said, I do not feel that deer which are harvested within a fences, regardless of size, should be allow to be entered into B&C or P&Y. It's an arugement that will go on forever, however there should be a distinct line drawn(like there is now) between inside and outside a fence. Otherwise there is too much grey area. To each his own...

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personally, my name in the record books doesn't mean anything to me for killing a trophy animal. the animal you kill is luck of the draw, but consistantly being able to outwit smart animals is a much greater accomplishment.

the conflict that we're seeing is that there is a divide between two factions of people: men that hunt, and hunters. the men that hunt, fancy themselves as hunters even though their lives are not completely centered around hunting (as some of us know all too well about.) i don't believe that those of us who are truly passionate about the outdoor sports should look down on, or slight the opinions of people who are not as inclinded. but we should be conscious of the difference, and accept their opinions, and DISTINGUISH between the two. just as P&Y distinguishes between let off ratios of bows. maybe P&Y and B&C could have a small section devoted to records regardless of hunting method or location. it is fascination with these great and majestic animals that draws us to look at the records in the first place. the anticipation and envy of seeing an animal that big works our imaginations, so why not indulge the imagination, while keeping a firm anchor on reality.

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