8 replies [Last post]
CVC
CVC's picture
Offline
Grand Slam Challenge Winner!
Location: Kansas
Joined: 03/04/2006
Posts: 3587
Obama's Mideast Trip

What do you think? I hope so and I think he is right to try, but I am doubtful.

expatriate's picture
Offline
Location: Arizona
Joined: 10/26/2002
Posts: 3207
Obama's Mideast Trip

Not a chance. The only thing that has the hearts and minds of the Islamic world is Islam. And no matter what he thinks, Obama isn't Allah and they know it.

Offline
Moderator
Location: Florida,USA
Joined: 08/21/2003
Posts: 1585
Obama's Mideast Trip

I am afraid I have to agree with ex here.
All they'll see is an American. That is a way of life that they hate, not the Man so until Obama completes his destruction of America then and only then will the Islamic world view us as anything other that "The Great Satan" but still won't have their hearts and minds.

Offline
Location: California
Joined: 09/06/2008
Posts: 1071
Obama's Mideast Trip
JTapia wrote:
I am afraid I have to agree with ex here.
All they'll see is an American. That is a way of life that they hate, not the Man so until Obama completes his destruction of America then and only then will the Islamic world view us as anything other that "The Great Satan" but still won't have their hearts and minds.

While always optomistic, I'm a realist as well. Several thousand years of conflict, abuse, intolerance between Christian and Arab peoples isn't going to be cured by a few visits, no matter how cordial. What he can and I hope will do is to cement political ties and friendships with Arab politicians and rulers who can be worked with and relied upon as allies.

Offline
Moderator
Location: Florida,USA
Joined: 08/21/2003
Posts: 1585
Obama's Mideast Trip

I can feel you brother.
While I admire your optimism I just believe that the anger is too great to be completely overcome.
Look at Slavery in the US, we are still dealing with angry young black men even though they nor anyone that they have ever met or talked to was a slave.
We still have white folks who are as racist as the Florida summer sun is hot.
We can not even get past our own anger. How can we expect the Islamic and Arab world to suddenly forget all of their pent up hostility when they feel that they are still being lamented upon by the US and Israel?
I know I sound pessimistic but I am really not at all, just realist I believe.
But hey, I could be wrong.

expatriate's picture
Offline
Location: Arizona
Joined: 10/26/2002
Posts: 3207
Obama's Mideast Trip

The most interesting thing about this trip so far is how after months of attacking anyone who tried to tie him to Islam, Obama is suddenly crowing about how muslim he is. On the campaign trail, he said his father was agnostic and he hardly knew him. Now he's talking about how his father was muslim, his grandmother is muslim and going on the Hajj, and how he learned so much about Islam in his youth. Heck, he even came out and said the US is one of the largest muslim countries.

Of course, if he ever visits Israel, I'm sure he'll be wearing a yamulke and talk about how much he enjoyed Mom's matzo recipe.

Offline
Location: California
Joined: 09/06/2008
Posts: 1071
Obama's Mideast Trip
Quote:
Expat wrote,
Of course, if he ever visits Israel, I'm sure he'll be wearing a yamulke and talk about how much he enjoyed Mom's matzo recipe.

Laugh Laugh Laugh Laugh

CVC
CVC's picture
Offline
Grand Slam Challenge Winner!
Location: Kansas
Joined: 03/04/2006
Posts: 3587
Obama's Mideast Trip

I don't think that Obama will change the minds of the extremist Islamists, but what he is doing is changing perception of those less radical and that will help us in the long term.

Offline
Location: California
Joined: 09/06/2008
Posts: 1071
Obama's Mideast Trip
CVC wrote:
I don't think that Obama will change the minds of the extremist Islamists, but what he is doing is changing perception of those less radical and that will help us in the long term.

CVC,

I truly hope what you say is true. What I believe however is that he's simply showing the radical Islamists that we are weak and easy prey. Again I hope you are correct and admire your optomistic outlook.

Related Forum Threads You Might Like

ThreadThread StarterRepliesLast Updated
Obama's Weaknessexpatriate1703/27/2009 14:10 pm
Where's the TransparencyCVC812/23/2008 19:44 pm
PETA Addresses Mideast Violenceexpatriate905/15/2003 18:41 pm
Glad somebody's saying it...Sage of the Sage106/05/2009 15:34 pm
Keeping Track of Obama's Nearly 600 Campaign PromisesCVC1301/26/2009 14:07 pm