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Details about the Tiahrt Amendment from the NRA-ILA site:
http://www.nraila.org/Issues/FactSheets/Read.aspx?id=208

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Perhaps there was disagreement over more than gun laws.

There have been people working on the technical details of laws and statutes to be changed for a couple of months now. Maybe the guy at the top has been busy and didn't quite agree with all of them, or maybe they decided that they want to concentrate on the most important first.

I do know that the ones they think are really important are to be included in an omnibus spending bill which only gets an up or down vote no amendments.

Somehow I expected guns to be about as fun an issue to legislate as immigration, something no one is very interested in, lose/lose.

When the page comes back up any changes or lack thereof should indicate the importance or direction they want to take things.

Slightly off topic I seem to have read that "assault" type rifles are not involved in many homicides. Their looks are more intimidating than their statistics. Is that true?

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civetcat wrote:

Slightly off topic I seem to have read that "assault" type rifles are not involved in many homicides. Their looks are more intimidating than their statistics. Is that true?

The ATF regulates the Receiver, so every semi automatic firearm is the same.
Assault Weapon Status is earned by being able to accept hi-capacity magazines, flash hider/suppressor, and a bayonet lug.
It is easy to see the danger of banning "Assault" weapons based on this criteria as almost any rifle could have the capability installed to accept any or all of the above items that match the criteria for being an Assault Rifle".

I don't know about statistics though, I'd be interested in knowing that myself.
I would imagine they are not responsible for most homicides but as you mentioned they look menacing and are easier to raise fear of them to make it easier to have a boogy man to start the banning process.

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SoCo, you've been eerily silent on this thread. What do you say to the anti-gun agenda laid out on the "president-elect" website that has since been taken down? As I see it, there are two possibilities:

1) The anti-gun agenda items were posted as campaign promises. Now that he's elected, he has no intent on following through on them and is a liar.

2) The agenda items were genuine, but now that he's elected he knows people are going to start looking at what they elected -- and he doesn't want people to see what's on the docket.

Again, dangerous territory. If you stay on topic, you have to admit that Obama advocated anti-gun policies -- and that would lead to charges of political impurity for questioning The Obama's claims that he's not anti-gun. How do you choose to avoid dealing with this one?

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SoCo? SoCo? Hello?

*crickets*

As I thought...

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So much for their lame argument that he'll be too busy with the economy and war in Iraq to tear up the second amendment. It would appear that Socialists can multi-task.

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The complete Obama agenda is back online on http://www.change.gov.

Did not review carefully yet, but it basically looks unchanged to me. The urban policy page looks similar, in particular this paragraph:

NEW VERSION:
"Address Gun Violence in Cities: Obama and Biden would repeal the Tiahrt Amendment, which restricts the ability of local law enforcement to access important gun trace information, and give police officers across the nation the tools they need to solve gun crimes and fight the illegal arms trade. Obama and Biden also favor commonsense measures that respect the Second Amendment rights of gun owners, while keeping guns away from children and from criminals. They support closing the gun show loophole and making guns in this country childproof. They also support making the expired federal Assault Weapons Ban permanent. "

PREVIOUS VERSION:
"Address Gun Violence in Cities: As president, Barack Obama would repeal the Tiahrt Amendment, which restricts the ability of local law enforcement to access important gun trace information, and give police officers across the nation the tools they need to solve gun crimes and fight the illegal arms trade. Obama and Biden also favor commonsense measures that respect the Second Amendment rights of gun owners, while keeping guns away from children and from criminals who shouldn't have them. They support closing the gun show loophole and making guns in this country childproof. They also support making the expired federal Assault Weapons Ban permanent, as such weapons belong on foreign battlefields and not on our streets."

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Just how do you make a gun childproof? It is up to the parent/gun owner to educate their children about gun safety and to secure/lock their guns so that children cant get them without permission.

There is absolutely no way to make a gun child proof.

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It all sounds pretty good to me.

I used to think that gun nuts who buy carbines modified to fire semi auto were just harmless Rambo wanabees. Middle aged men involved in a fantasy world. After all statistics tell me very little gun crime is commited with these guns.

Then when I search further I find that the militia movement, and the anti assault weapons ban of the 90s were the breeding ground for the second worst terrorist attack in US history. I'm talking about those right wing nut cases who bombed the federal building in OK. Read the prelude. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oklahoma_City_bombing

Now I'm not saying every middle aged guy who feels threatened by a world he no longer understands and who is pushed and pulled by a society that is beyond his comprehension is going to go out and kill people. But I do find it worrying that people who are second amendment fanatics are also anti police and pro criminal. How else to justify the hostility to the COPS program that I have read here, what is wrong with an additional ability to trace guns, limits on the amount you can buy at one time, or background checks for every transaction including gun shows. Are right wing gun nuts anti police? Certainly no way to get people to agree with you. I like the police, they wave to me and my kids when they drive by, we're on the same side.

What about the fourth, fifth and sixth amendments? Recently on this forum I read of the gleeful breaking of thes amendments. I certainly don't want people who think torture and murder are a good thing running around with any type of guns at all.

In the last election cycle the NRA and the gun nuts spewed a lot of vitriol. The NRA has given a lot of money to senators and congressman who have voted against my interests on a lot of things like health care, war, taxes, environmental protections, and financial regulation. The hate filled rallies of the extreme right wing complete with all these cries of "terrorist" have sealed your fates. You have no seat at the table. You are irrelevant.

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So in other words, you're willing to throw people who aren't like you under the bus because you think it'll somehow improve your safety.

Gee, thanks...I'm one of those people. One of the reasons I bought an AR is so that I can maintain proficiency in case I'm tasked to deploy. Nice to know the people I'm defending have my best interests at heart and really care about the Constitution.

Look beyond the media hype. There's absolutely zero data to show that assault weapon bans affected crime rates in any way. Just how many liberties are you willing to sacrifice for 300 million people in the vain hope of slowing down one idiot?

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