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Apparently, after four months of dithering, Obama has decided on an Afghanistan strategy. If I was a betting man, I'd put my money on a polished up version of Nixon's "Vietnamization" speech from 1969. Here it is:

http://vietnam.vassar.edu/doc14.html

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I'd be more willing to bet on something like LBJ's micromanaging minimizing stupiditity. But your probably right Expat. He'll no doubt recruit and train (at our expense of coarse) a bunch of Taliban terrorists and put them in charge and wonder why he gets "Jimmy Cartered" in the end.

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Oh, you just know it, that's exactly what will happen!

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Bunny, those in the military would regard LBJ's micromanagement as MAXIMIZING stupidity.

It's already going on, because people have forgotten what war is like and the press feeds perceptions that it should be polite and harmless. In a lot of ways, we're undoing ourselves with all of the precision weaponry. The percentage of precision weapons employed from aircraft now is something like 90 percent. The problem is that when you show targeting pod video of bombs going down chimneys, people start to expect it every time -- and that nobody gets hurt but the bad guys...ever.

Predators are flown over the Middle East by operators sitting in Nevada, with video feed going into headquarters in Florida. Without a lot of restraint from senior leaders, "reach back" becomes "reach forward" and the war gets run with a 4,000 mile screwdriver. More and more decisions get made by senior people in the rear, rather than commanders in the field.

My son was the grenadier in his platoon, and when he deployed to Iraq in '06 they told him he couldn't have high explosive rounds for the 40mm -- only smoke and marker rounds. They weren't allowed to use flash-bangs when clearing buildings, either, because there might be a non-combatant in there. So rather than enter a room where everyone's stunned, our troops would have to go in and face an alert enemy that's watching the doors and windows. That just gets more people killed on both sides.

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No flashbangs when room clearing? Are you kidding?So we can use flashbangs when taking down a crack house in south central but you can't use them against armed terrorists? I'm flabergasted. I shouldn't be. But I am.

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I hope and pray that you're wrong Expatriate. I remember how Vietnam ended and it wasn't pretty.

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Bingo! Called it! Send troops to get the Afghans up to speed so we can pull out. When Karzai's government fails for lack of support and an Islamist regime takes its place, the repercussions will be enormous.

Over the past year, it has become painfully clear to the nations of the world that Elvis has left the building and America is no longer willing to defend its interests. Look at what's going on with Iran -- Obama spouts threats, but it's pathetic. Ahmadinejad knows all too well that Obama's the weakest US president in decades and won't do a thing to stop him, nor does he have the respect needed to get other nations to do anything, either. China sees opportunity -- not only in terms of economic warfare, but for Taiwan as well. And Russia? They know they've got a green light to re-arm. Venezuela? North Korea? No barriers, no worries.

Case in point: today Ahmadinejad again thumbed his nose at the UN's efforts to rein in his nuclear program and said, ""The Zionist regime (Israel) and its (western) backers cannot do a damn thing to stop Iran's nuclear work." One of two things will happen in the future: Iran announces it has nuclear weapons, or Israel launches a strike.

As for Obama's assertion that he'll get NATO to commit 10,000 more troops to Afghanistan, good luck with that. Can anybody name a single diplomatic victory or concession that he's achieved from anyone in the last 11 months? Just one? He's counting on cards that aren't even in the deck.

The world is becoming like post-Katrina New Orleans -- the cops are gone and it's open season. Fasten your seatbelts, because it's about to get really bumpy. The 2009 Nobel Peace Prize winner is leading the world into chaos.

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The speech last night just about put me to sleep. Looked like it put most of the cadets to sleep as well!

Obama really was longwinded. He could have said everything he wanted to say in 5 minutes. Not sure why he had to go through all the explanations, we all know the history and didn't need a refresher from him. There was no passion, no determination to win. He might as well have raised a white flag.

I agree with Expatriate, we're in for a very bumpy ride - and its not gonna be pretty.

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I watched it, not a big fan of Obama, more lambs to the slaughter now. Even here our people are pretty sick of things.

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This site was a lot more interesting when we had a few libs throwing up the dukes every time somebody dared criticize Obama.

One thought on this subject. Bush/Cheney had their problems, but they certainly understood the nature of war better than Barak Obama. Seems like it, anyway. I'm glad he finally made a decision and I'm glad it was to insert more troops. This is a war worth winning, IMO. But I don't get this deadline for a withdrawal thing. This ain't a boxing match, where 2 guys fight for a set amount of time and if both remain standing the judges announce a winner. This is a freakin' war. I didn't see the speech, did he explain the rationale for that?

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He did raise a white flag, Cowgal. As Henry Kissinger said, a conventional army loses by not winning. A guerrilla wins by not losing. Obama made it clear he's not interested in winning, and all the Taliban has to do it hang on for another year and a half. Regardless of how politicians spin it, victory is defined by who walks the battlefield unmolested after the battle's over.

Just remember: no matter what bad stuff happens in the future, it'll be Bush's fault.

Oh, yeah...I forgot. You can bet that the rules of engagement are already being tightened up. The focus will be on force protection and avoiding civilian casualties, not offensive strategy.

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