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Expat a few posts ago,

I agree with the gist of what you are saying, I know on a very personal level that scars are formed not only by what is done to us but also by what we do to others. I don't hold my country up to the standards of those who would molest our citizens and service members the way they have been, I hold ourselves up to a much higher standard, those we set ourselves.

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Moderator frankly I'm suprised. Does BigGameHunt.net condone the torture and killing of unarmed POWs who by nature of their capture and inprisonment are the responsiblity of the United States? Does BigGameHunt.net condone talking about breaking the Geneva Convention by killing and torturing minor POW prisoners? Does BigGameHunt.net believe it's ok to disrespect other peoples religion?

What would you think if you saw this post with the name of this site quoted in a newspaper? This is obviously something we wouldn't be proud of. In the give and take of political discussion I often read things that give me pause, but seldom posts that would make me ashamed. As an American, and a contributer to this forum I beleive we can do better.

Civetcat you are exaggerating and distorting. Go back to the previous posts and you can see for yourself. We do not condone or condemn, we merely provide a forum for online discussion. What is posted here belongs to the person posting. We gave Bunnyslayer the benefit of the doubt, since we did not know the intention of his post. We did not know what "tangos" meant. Bunnyslayer explained himself.

If this post was quoted, it would obviously be out of context. And you added dramatically to that distortion with your incorrect assumptions.

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Hi standards and lofty goals are wonderful things esxcept when your dealing with people who want only to convert or kill you. As Jefferson said " The tree of freedom must occiasionaly be watered with the blood of patriots and tyrants." Doing so obviuosly requires getting your hands bloody. I'm truly sorry your sensitive sensibilities are so offended. Grow up and stop watching Disney movies. Real life is sometime ugly.

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Well, Civet, while you're meditating on your high and lofty goals, just remember this is what we're up against (yes, it's Fox link but it's an AP story). Make sure you check on the photo link to get the full impact of the kind of people you don't want to offend. This is the vision our Islamist foes have for the world:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,451941,00.html

And by the way -- just what do you envision doing with all the prisoners at Gitmo if/when we shut it down? Shall we turn them loose on the battlefield again to kill our troops, or should we just let them go where you live?

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I am reminded of my grade school days when some little snot would start a fight, get their butt kicked and then run to the teacher crying demanding that the teacher step in and punish the schoolmate.

I've never had much respect for those that can't fight their own fight. Whahhhh.....my sensibilities are offended, delete the post.....I can't ignore it or formulate my own rebuttal.....whahhh.....delete it or I'll threaten you some more......how pitiful.

It also reminds me of the other thread about big brother and how the liberals want to silence opposition. Maybe there is more truth to that theory than I first thought?

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And by the way -- just what do you envision doing with all the prisoners at Gitmo if/when we shut it down?

five hundred of them have been released already with absolutely no charges being leveled against them whatsoever. Latest count now has over 200 left. Probably a fair portion of the 200 might well be dangersous or used to be, some have gone completely round the bend and will need to be institutionalized until they are sane again. Of the 500 released one would have to assume they never were dangerous or guilty of anything except being unlucky and Arab.

It is this type of imprisonment and radicalization that turned al-Zawahiri from an army officer and surgeon into what many consider the brains of Al queda.

It's Gitmo and the use of torture which have these criminals at the top most worried about the Hague. The convoluted long memos from Wu at Justice over such a long period of time and all part of the record are a testament to how worried they were about getting caught and brought to justice.

Bush, Cheney, Addington, Wu, the list gets long, and then there are all those Generals and Colonels that blew the whistle on what they immeadiatly knew to be illeagal. Do you think they will lift a finger to save what are basically draft dodgers?

JTapia in your long reply to SoCo it seems as if you are one of the last people in the world to realize the US waged a war of choice against another country who had done nothing to us. The reasons we did have evolved to fit the facts, the last one was to promote Democracy. Now it is just to not "cut and run" or "wave the white flag of surrender". Please keep up to date with your excuses.

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civetcat wrote:
JTapia in your long reply to SoCo it seems as if you are one of the last people in the world to realize the US waged a war of choice against another country who had done nothing to us. The reasons we did have evolved to fit the facts, the last one was to promote Democracy. Now it is just to not "cut and run" or "wave the white flag of surrender". Please keep up to date with your excuses.

civetcat are you capable of speaking the truth? If you are I'd like to see it ,atleast on occasion.

Of course we went there by choice.
We didn't just wake up one afternoon with troops, tanks and all that is necessary to wage a war in place.
The reasons were not made up to fit that "facts". Look and you will find the real facts and not quotes from left wing bloggers. The real facts are from letters and transcripts on several sources such as the UN security Council. All the reasons and facts are dated well before the invasion, some going back as far as 1990.
So no civetcat I am not the last person and once again you have been caught talking out of the side of your mouth.
You really should attempt to educate yourself instead of trying to discredit me and others with ridiculous claims of "outdated excuses" and just plain lies.

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civetcat wrote:
JTapia in your long reply to SoCo it seems as if you are one of the last people in the world to realize the US waged a war of choice against another country who had done nothing to us. The reasons we did have evolved to fit the facts, the last one was to promote Democracy. Now it is just to not "cut and run" or "wave the white flag of surrender". Please keep up to date with your excuses.

Civet, I really hate to bring this up, but Germany and Italy hadn't done anything to us, either. Neither did Korea, Vietnam, Grenada, Panama, Somalia, or Kosovo. Your view of justification for military force naiively simplistic and reveals a lack of education in the matter.

Same thing with your loopy logic that prisons cause crime. By your criteria, we can solve the crime problem in America by shutting down our penal system.

Let's get specific here -- one of the prisoners down there is Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, who was one of Bin Laden's top guys and who admitted to beheading Daniel Pearl. Since we caused his problem, should we just let him go?

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Let's get specific here -- one of the prisoners down there is Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, who was one of Bin Laden's top guys and who admitted to beheading Daniel Pearl. Since we caused his problem, should we just let him go?

I'd still love to see an answer to this! Nothing yet?

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