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News says he holds a double lead in PA., what's up with that? I truly hope there is no belief in what the American Hunters and Shooters Association says, they're just a gun control front from the Brady bunch. Things are bad enough here in NH and the rest of the northeast. Tree huggers moving in, buying up the land, posting it and bringing their city ways and ideas with them and expecting locals to convert to their ways.
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PA has a lot of working class guys that have lost jobs and seen thier 401k's disappear. They want health care for thier kids and someone who is going to make govt work again. They've seen enough balloney.

Steel workers stand up for a stand up kinda guy.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7QIGJTHdH50&eurl=http://www.dailykos.com/...

Lifetime NRA member speaks
http://link.brightcove.com/services/link/bcpid1772825856/bclid1780606223...

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PA has a lot of working class guys that have lost jobs and seen thier 401k's disappear. They want health care for thier kids and someone who is going to make govt work again. They've seen enough balloney.

Steel workers stand up for a stand up kinda guy.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7QIGJTHdH50&eurl=http://www.dailykos.com/...

Lifetime NRA member speaks
http://link.brightcove.com/services/link/bcpid1772825856/bclid1780606223/bctid1825834455

How dare you post these lies from the ostrich party. That wasn't a hunter in that ad! He was a marxist actor, I saw him playing a steel worker in another ad.

I keed, I keed, but unfortunately many will love to believe what I said in jest.

My good friend went to a gun show in Denver Co, this weekend. He said the mood was pretty damn ugly. Obama in the crosshairs fliers, lots of he's a terrorist and will steal your guns, he's an Arab, lots of ugly racist talk.

Hard to believe, but a good reminder many in our country still harbor the ugliest racist and hateful feelings and mentality.

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Hard to believe, but a good reminder many in our country still harbor the ugliest racist and hateful feelings and mentality.

Aside from the fact he is an elitist I could care less his race, just his voting record on gun control. The web site "on the issues" posts all candidates records so you can see for yourself. Even more disturbing to me is the "American Hunters and Shooters Association " that has endorsed obama and is staffed by personnel affiliated with handgun control inc. and members involved in bringing us the Brady bill. If Obama has to resort to using back door tactics and outright deception to win over the sportsman vote something tells me it's a red herring.
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Hard to believe, but a good reminder many in our country still harbor the ugliest racist and hateful feelings and mentality.

Aside from the fact he is an elitist I could care less his race, just his voting record on gun control. The web site "on the issues" posts all candidates records so you can see for yourself. Even more disturbing to me is the "American Hunters and Shooters Association " that has endorsed obama and is staffed by personnel affiliated with handgun control inc. and members involved in bringing us the Brady bill. If Obama has to resort to using back door tactics and outright deception to win over the sportsman vote something tells me it's a red herring.
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Funny, but I always thought one with ten houses and thirteen cars to be more of what I consider an elitist. Guess that's common now a days.

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What does wealth have to do with thinking you are above others. I know rich folk that are down to earth and I also know some poor that feel they are the salt of the earth.

" so it's not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations."
Barrack Obama talking about rural PA. and the other small towns in America.

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Well, I guess the majority of the good people of PA have surmised even with that comment by Obama they'd be better off with his 'ELITIST' leadership. Then the salt of the earth, common man, I'd drink a beer with you, policies of Bush which have drained there pocketbooks and continue to send their children to Iraq and which Mccain wishes to continue.

You know when peoples lives are being negatively affected on a scale few have known due to the economy and an unjust war their not as prone to just follow fear mongering propoganda.

Read up on Mccain if you haven't. He's been a silver spoon elitist his whole life. Crashed five planes in the Navy where as a regular non Admiral having dad and grandad pilot would have lost their wings after crashing one. Boozing skirt chasing temper tantrum throwing. Same goes for his academic life at the Academy. Never woulda made it through if not for who his dad and grandad were.

Even your heros Nancy and Ronald Reagen distanced themselves from him after he left his first wife crippled and disfigured for Cindy. Nancy couldn't stand him after that, wouldn't talk to him.

Compare that to a man who did pull himself up by his bootstraps raised by a single mother went on to Harvard Law school married the love of his life and still with her. No boozing temper tantrums threatening people. Yup, he's the 'elitist' in your eyes. Gimme a break!

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Well, I guess the majority of the good people of PA have surmised even with that comment by Obama they'd be better off with his 'ELITIST' leadership. Then the salt of the earth, common man, I'd drink a beer with you, policies of Bush which have drained there pocketbooks and continue to send their children to Iraq and which Mccain wishes to continue.

You know when peoples lives are being negatively affected on a scale few have known due to the economy and an unjust war their not as prone to just follow fear mongering propoganda.

Read up on Mccain if you haven't. He's been a silver spoon elitist his whole life. Crashed five planes in the Navy where as a regular non Admiral having dad and grandad pilot would have lost their wings after crashing one. Boozing skirt chasing temper tantrum throwing. Same goes for his academic life at the Academy. Never woulda made it through if not for who his dad and grandad were.

Even your heros Nancy and Ronald Reagen distanced themselves from him after he left his first wife crippled and disfigured for Cindy. Nancy couldn't stand him after that, wouldn't talk to him.

Compare that to a man who did pull himself up by his bootstraps raised by a single mother went on to Harvard Law school married the love of his life and still with her. No boozing temper tantrums threatening people. Yup, he's the 'elitist' in your eyes. Gimme a break!

I would like to see some sort of reference link(s) for these accusations, preferably from a reputable source.
How do YOU know anyone else would have lost their wings after 1 crash?
How do YOU know if he woulda(sic) never made it thru the academy without help from his grandad?
How do YOU know Obama never had a Boozing temper tantrum?
How do YOU know he married the Love of his life?
How do YOU know that he pulled himself up by his bootstraps?
How do YOU know he even had boots with straps?
Did YOU not read what aloft52 defined what they thought "elitist" was?
What does anything you posted have to do with aloft52's definition of elitist?
Once again you come on here and jump all over something using your own reality and ignoring anything anybody has to say.
YOU just cant wait to jump on someone can YOU?
Why dont YOU gimME a Break.

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I would like to see some sort of reference link(s) for these accusations, preferably from a reputable source.

This is the politics section of Big Game Hunt, sources are seldom referenced and if they are they are often fringe groups such as World Net Daily or opinion pieces quoted as fact.

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How do YOU know if he woulda(sic) never made it thru the academy without help from his grandad?

Well one might just guess being at the bottom of his class and having so many disciplinary problems, and then there's that guy who lived across the hall from him.

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How do YOU know Obama never had a Boozing temper tantrum?

Because one has never been mentioned anywhere, of course one can't prove a negative. No one can't prove he's not a space alien but we just might surmise from observation.

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How do YOU know he married the Love of his life?

That's what she says and him too, guess we'll just have to take thier words, they do look pretty comfortable around each other.

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How do YOU know that he pulled himself up by his bootstraps?

We don't, but that's an expression we use when a half black kid from a one parent family who was on food stamps studies hard and goes to the best schools in the country and then goes on to run for president.

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Did YOU not read what aloft52 defined what they thought "elitist" was?

I missed any definition, on dictionary dot com they say, "one who can count to twenty without removing ones shoes" I'm ok with that.

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Once again you come on here and jump all over something using your own reality and ignoring anything anybody has to say.

That makes two

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YOU just cant wait to jump on someone can YOU?
Why dont YOU gimME a Break.

Let's change the subject back to Mr. Aloft's original post.

Obama's lead or tightening in formerly red states of Pennsylvania, Ohio, Missouri,New Hamshire, West Virginia, Indiana, Colorado, and on and on and on. What's left? Alaska, Alabama, Missisipi? Certainly not Virginia.

When the NRA went for a photo op at a West Virginia mine the other day the workers closed down the plant. They couln't get in by crossing picket lines. You think mine workers in West Virginia hunt? I do. Not every blue collar voter is a low information voter restricted to the fearmongering idea that someone is going to take thier gun or start thier wife wearing a burkha.

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SoCoKHntr wrote:
Well, I guess the majority of the good people of PA have surmised even with that comment by Obama they'd be better off with his 'ELITIST' leadership. Then the salt of the earth, common man, I'd drink a beer with you, policies of Bush which have drained there pocketbooks and continue to send their children to Iraq and which Mccain wishes to continue.

You know when peoples lives are being negatively affected on a scale few have known due to the economy and an unjust war their not as prone to just follow fear mongering propoganda.

Read up on Mccain if you haven't. He's been a silver spoon elitist his whole life. Crashed five planes in the Navy where as a regular non Admiral having dad and grandad pilot would have lost their wings after crashing one. Boozing skirt chasing temper tantrum throwing. Same goes for his academic life at the Academy. Never woulda made it through if not for who his dad and grandad were.

Even your heros Nancy and Ronald Reagen distanced themselves from him after he left his first wife crippled and disfigured for Cindy. Nancy couldn't stand him after that, wouldn't talk to him.

Compare that to a man who did pull himself up by his bootstraps raised by a single mother went on to Harvard Law school married the love of his life and still with her. No boozing temper tantrums threatening people. Yup, he's the 'elitist' in your eyes. Gimme a break!

I would like to see some sort of reference link(s) for these accusations, preferably from a reputable source.
How do YOU know anyone else would have lost their wings after 1 crash?
How do YOU know if he woulda(sic) never made it thru the academy without help from his grandad?
How do YOU know Obama never had a Boozing temper tantrum?
How do YOU know he married the Love of his life?
How do YOU know that he pulled himself up by his bootstraps?
How do YOU know he even had boots with straps?
Did YOU not read what aloft52 defined what they thought "elitist" was?
What does anything you posted have to do with aloft52's definition of elitist?
Once again you come on here and jump all over something using your own reality and ignoring anything anybody has to say.
YOU just cant wait to jump on someone can YOU?
Why dont YOU gimME a Break.

Here's one source. Go ahead read it and then tell me how everything listed is false and the writer is a liar and the other Military officers quoted are liars.

http://www.rollingstone.com/news/story/23316912/makebelieve_maverick/print

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"Once again you come on here and jump all over something using your own reality and ignoring anything anybody has to say.
YOU just cant wait to jump on someone can YOU? "

Who's reality would you prefer me to use? Yours? I guess you would prefer a political forum or for that matter a political country where everyone sees it your way.

You think I'm wrong and I happen to think you're wrong and we get on here and argue about it. Don't cry over it.

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