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Let me have a crack at this one:

- Vote for Obama if you feel that giving an aggressor something he wants is a sign of strength, not weakness, and that the aggressor won't see it as a crack in your resolve to exploit. By the way, Clinton tried this with North Korea, and now they have nukes. There's also years of evidence of Saddam playing Clinton and the UN to his advantage with this. Carter tried it with Iran, and...well, you know

- Vote for Obama if you believe that unilateral withdrawal from a war is best for our long-term interests -- bearing in mind that Osama (and Saddam) have repeatedly cited American withdrawal from Vietnam, Beirut, and Somalia as proof of American weakness.

- Vote for Obama if you feel that increasing offshore drilling and ANWR will not increase supply and drop prices, but that taxing oil companies will. By the way, how do you tax an overseas-based company for overseas production? Wouldn't that primarily affect US companies and domestic production? Have gasoline taxes dropped prices? By the way, the commentary about drilling not increasing supply is clever sleight of hand -- it won't, but it'll help long before alternative fuels can be researched, developed, and distributed on sufficient scale to make a difference. I can't fill my tank with leadership.

- Vote for Obama if you feel that the best way to build an economy is to punish the industries that power it.

- Vote for Obama if, after careful study of the Democratic platform and its leaders in Washington, you feel it's in the best interests of our nation and your personal liberty if you give them full control over legislation, executive orders, committee appointments, and supreme court justice appointments.

- Vote for Obama if you believe government is the most efficient organization to fix a problem. If you can compare performance of the US Postal Service and Fed Ex over the past 25 years and conclude that USPS is run more efficiently, Obama's your man.

- Vote for Obama if you believe that workers shouldn't have the right to vote on unionization by secret ballot.

- Vote for Obama if you believe the Second Amendment is designed to maintain a State's right to arm and equip itself, and that rights of gun owners should be defined in terms of applicability for hunting.

- Vote for Obama if you feel that individual liberties should be restricted for the benefit of the State, vs restricting the State for the benefit of individual rights.

- Vote for Obama if you believe you can reduce unplanned pregnancies by making birth control widely available. Half of pregnancies may be unplanned, but how many of those unplanned pregnancies occur within marriage? Making birth control widely available to teenagers and saying "knock yourselves out" just leads to more teenagers having sex -- with birth control methods that all have failure rates. Something to think about -- teen pregnancies and unwed pregnancies have all skyrocketed as birth control became easily available. Throwing more birth control won't help it. This is a moral issue, not a scientific one.

- Vote for Obama if you believe our nation will spend less on health care if it's run by government bureaucracy vs private industry. To do this, you need to ignore issues associated with socialized medicine in other countries.

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expatriate wrote:
Let me have a crack at this one:

- Vote for Obama if you feel that giving an aggressor something he wants is a sign of strength, not weakness, and that the aggressor won't see it as a crack in your resolve to exploit. By the way, Clinton tried this with North Korea, and now they have nukes. There's also years of evidence of Saddam playing Clinton and the UN to his advantage with this. Carter tried it with Iran, and...well, you know

What is he giving to an aggressor? Please be specific. Have Bush and Mccain now not made overtures to talking to Iran?

- Vote for Obama if you believe that unilateral withdrawal from a war is best for our long-term interests -- bearing in mind that Osama (and Saddam) have repeatedly cited American withdrawal from Vietnam, Beirut, and Somalia as proof of American weakness.

What in your opinion would be the marker for "Winning" and bringing our troops our home? Even if I disagreed with the reasons Bush invaded the two main reasons he listed Saddam being gone and WMD's both of these issues are taken care of. Saddam is dead and the WMD's have been proven to be non existent.

- Vote for Obama if you feel that increasing offshore drilling and ANWR will not increase supply and drop prices, but that taxing oil companies will. By the way, how do you tax an overseas-based company for overseas production? Wouldn't that primarily affect US companies and domestic production? Have gasoline taxes dropped prices? By the way, the commentary about drilling not increasing supply is clever sleight of hand -- it won't, but it'll help long before alternative fuels can be researched, developed, and distributed on sufficient scale to make a difference. I can't fill my tank with leadership.

My personal opinion is drilling in ANWR wouldn't effectively affect the price we pay at the pump and the meager amount it might help wouldn't be felt if at all for years.

- Vote for Obama if you feel that the best way to build an economy is to punish the industries that power it.

Punish the industries that power it? From my perspective greed and corruption has infiltrated to many of these companies. When there are no checks and balances and the top echelon only cares about profits to expand their retirements something needs to be done. It's a balancing act and some regulation needs to be put into place, not to punish, but rather to ensure some CEO's don't get too carried away.

- Vote for Obama if, after careful study of the Democratic platform and its leaders in Washington, you feel it's in the best interests of our nation and your personal liberty if you give them full control over legislation, executive orders, committee appointments, and supreme court justice appointments.

After seeing what the Rebub controlled congress and Bush and his admin have done I most definitely, most assuredly, without fear of contradiction, feel like Democratic control of all the areas you mentioned is on our Nations best interest. After seeing Alberto Gonzales and his cronies carry out politicization of our legislative branch I don't trust Repub politicians.

- Vote for Obama if you believe government is the most efficient organization to fix a problem. If you can compare performance of the US Postal Service and Fed Ex over the past 25 years and conclude that USPS is run more efficiently, Obama's your man.

I surely don't believe our Gov. under the control of Repubs the last seven years has been run efficiently.

- Vote for Obama if you believe that workers shouldn't have the right to vote on unionization by secret ballot.

Not sure about this one.

- Vote for Obama if you believe the Second Amendment is designed to maintain a State's right to arm and equip itself, and that rights of gun owners should be defined in terms of applicability for hunting.

I am not worried about losing my guns under Obama.

- Vote for Obama if you feel that individual liberties should be restricted for the benefit of the State, vs restricting the State for the benefit of individual rights.

This issue isn't as black and white as you make it out to be. Also, to be honest with you I was more worried about losing personal freedoms under the current admin then I will be under an Obama one.

- Vote for Obama if you believe you can reduce unplanned pregnancies by making birth control widely available. Half of pregnancies may be unplanned, but how many of those unplanned pregnancies occur within marriage? Making birth control widely available to teenagers and saying "knock yourselves out" just leads to more teenagers having sex -- with birth control methods that all have failure rates. Something to think about -- teen pregnancies and unwed pregnancies have all skyrocketed as birth control became easily available. Throwing more birth control won't help it. This is a moral issue, not a scientific one.

I think it's a pipe dream in this day and age to think kids will abstain from sex by making 'vows' and promises to virginity. I say discourage them from having sex early but also provide them with sex education and birth control if, like teens do, they don't listen to sound wisdom and choose to do what they want anyway.

- Vote for Obama if you believe our nation will spend less on health care if it's run by government bureaucracy vs private industry. To do this, you need to ignore issues associated with socialized medicine in other countries.

The system is pretty screwed up as is. People are paying increasingly high health care costs and who is currently profiting off of this?

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Restrictions on freedoms? Let's see -- the big issue I hear from the left is the Patriot Act, which gives governmen increased power to connect the dots to identify bad guys.

But what's coming out of the left? Gun control. Restrictions on free speech and religious expressions in the name of political correctness. Bans on particular types of restaurants because people obviously can't be trusted to make their own food decisions. Attempts to dictate what type of vehicle you drive. Bans on lead ammunition. Closure of logging roads. You also just added the concept of government setting limits on how much private companies can pay their employees. And that's just the short list. The liberal agenda impacts personal liberties far more than the conservative one.

As far as the Fed Ex analogy, you completely missed the boat. It's not about how Republicans administer government vs Democrats. It's about the Democratic belief that government is the most efficient solution to a problem.

What alternative energy source do you believe could be developed, built, and distributed throughout the economy that would offset fuel prices sooner and with greater impact than increasing oil production with existing technology? Even if we had a viable alternative in hand today (which we don't), it would take years and billions of dollars to convert infrastructure an develop the market. It's a noble cause worth pursuing, but it'll take decades.

As for winning in Iraq, it's all about end state -- a stable nation that can govern itself and maintain its own security. The alternative under Obama would be to pull the rug out and let the chips fall where they may.

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I thought the original poster asked for reasons from those voting for Obama?

Have you switched expat? You know there are going to be good alternatives to Stevens this time too, no reason to split the ticket, go blue.

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I wouldn't be surprised if Stevens still won. He has a lot of support, and people up here wait for the facts to come in. If people dump him, Sean Parnell is no lighweight -- he's the lieutenant to the most popular governor in America. People in Alaska don't like sending liberals to Washington -- especially when their economy is driven by natural resources.

I do find it interesting, though, to watch where MoveOn.org puts its money. Begich is getting a lot of it. Funny coincidence how every race that MoveOn targets winds up with late-breaking accusations of scandal against the Republican incumbent. It's also interesting that MoveOn spends more than twice as much money on candidates than the NRA, and yet people on the left say the NRA is wielding too much power.

But I digress. Back on topic, you should vote for Obama if your understanding of government is shallow and you're attracted to bright, shiny objects.

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I don't understand. Are you saying that you are going to vote for Obamb?

Or are you ignoring JTapia's request at the beginning of the thread? I mean he did post here asking for specific information not just empty trash talk.

JTapia said,

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I have heard so much nonsense spouted either for or against Obama and would like to get some concrete answers without the name calling and mudslinging
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So I ask those of you who support Obama to state your reasons for your support as related to the Issues and where Obama stands on these Issues.
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Please keep comments specific to the question of Obamas stand on the issues and his qualifications that would make him qualified to lead this great nation.
I would also ask that Bitmasher summarily delete or edit any post that does not pertain to the spirit of the question being asked so as to not let the thread turn into a fiasco.

Rather than saying nasty untrue negatve stuff please respect the original posters request. I think perhaps you have problems listening to and understanding other peoples viewpoint. Please treat Mr JTapia the way you also would wish to be treated.

Thank You

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I'm doing my best to state reasons why I believe someone might vote for Obama. Sorry if you don't agree with it, but I frankly don't buy into Obama's tactic of trying to insulate himself from criticism by accusing critics of being "negative" or "mudslinging" any time they try to say the emperor is naked. If you listen to the Obama campaign, the only things McCain should be allowed to say about him are favorable things. What a ridiculous philosophy -- an opponent isn't allowed to question anything? That's scary stuff, there. Vote for Obama if you think your leader shouldn't be questioned.

The fact of the matter is that there are inconsistencies and errors in the platform that one must overlook to vote for Obama. All I'm saying is that if you're willing to do that in favor of other things, Obama's your guy. But you can't pick up one end of the stick without picking up the other.

Besides, things aren't untrue just because you don't like hearing them.

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expatriate wrote:
I'm doing my best to state reasons why I believe someone might vote for Obama. Sorry if you don't agree with it, but I frankly don't buy into Obama's tactic of trying to insulate himself from criticism by accusing critics of being "negative" or "mudslinging" any time they try to say the emperor is naked. If you listen to the Obama campaign, the only things McCain should be allowed to say about him are favorable things. What a ridiculous philosophy -- an opponent isn't allowed to question anything? That's scary stuff, there. Vote for Obama if you think your leader shouldn't be questioned.

The fact of the matter is that there are inconsistencies and errors in the platform that one must overlook to vote for Obama. All I'm saying is that if you're willing to do that in favor of other things, Obama's your guy. But you can't pick up one end of the stick without picking up the other.

Besides, things aren't untrue just because you don't like hearing them.

Gimme a break................................. I am doing my 'BEST' to list reasons why someone would vote for Obama!!!!!!!!!! Puhleeeeeeezzzzzzzzz.........................

If someone had posted a similar request to Jtapia's regarding Mcain and I got on here posting stuff like you have you guys would be all over me for derailing the thread and being negative and not sticking to the request of this thread.

Jtapia, why aren't you up in arms about this?

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Are you not getting my point? I'm serious about this -- if you're going to vote for Obama, you need to be willing to accept the negatives. The same goes for McCain.

I'm not going to come on here and say that I once touched Obama's pant leg and was cured of cancer, or that he convinced Osama to become Baptist, retire, and start a goat farm.

JTapia's question is a valid one. Go ahead and answer him by answering me. You could be providing reasons why your candidate's platform is superior, and if that platform is valid then you should be able to defend it in the face of critical analysis. But instead, you're deriding me for criticizing. To unify the country, your candidate needs to be able to convince people of ideas and solicit their support, rather than attack and exclude those who disagree with him.

Dissent and discourse are the foundations of democracy. Suppression of dissent is a tool of tyrants.

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I dont Get why a ton of People are saying he's to old for office! Ronald Reagan
was the oldest inaugurated US President at 69 years of age! Not much younger then Mccain, Im not saying ronald was the best president but at least someone has been old and elected before! Sure mccain might have grey hair or Take cialis! But that doesnt mean he cant be a good president! REPUBLICAN'S FTW!!!!

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The "why vote for Obama" thread went way off topic. So rather than delete the posts its been split into two threads.

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