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The individual right to keep and bear arms is guaranteed by the Second Amendment to the Constitution. While Barack Obama pretends to respect the Second Amendment, his record demonstrates that his claim is no more credible than a wifebeater's claim that he respects his wife.

Economist and gun control researcher Dr. John Lott recalled his first encounter with Obama. After introducing himself to Obama, "Obama said 'Oh, you are the gun guy.' I responded 'Yes, I guess so.' He simply responded that 'I don't believe that people should be able to own guns.'

'When I said it might be fun to talk about the question sometime and about his support of the city of Chicago's lawsuit against the gun makers, he simply grimaced and turned away, ending the conversation.'" [1].

Rich Pearson, who, "[f]or the past 15 years, . . . served in the Illinois state capitol as the chief lobbyist for the Illinois State Rifle Association" wrote:

"I lobbied Barack Obama extensively while he was an Illinois State Senator. As a result of that experience, I know Obama's attitudes toward guns and gun owners better than anyone. The truth be told, in all my years in the Capitol I have never met a legislator who harbors more contempt for the law-abiding firearm owner than does Barack Obama.

"Although Obama claims to be an advocate for the 2nd Amendment, his voting record in the Illinois Senate paints a very different picture. While a state senator, Obama voted for a bill that would ban nearly every hunting rifle, shotgun and target rifle owned by Illinois citizens. That same bill would authorize the state police to raid homes of gun owners to forcibly confiscate banned guns. Obama supported a bill that would shut down law-abiding firearm manufacturers including Springfield Armory, Armalite, Rock River Arms and Les Baer. Obama also voted for a bill that would prohibit law-abiding citizens from purchasing more than one gun per month." [2]

Obama supports numerous oppressive gun control measures. In April, an article in the nonpartisan website The Politico noted that "[Obama], as an Illinois state legislator and a U.S. senator, he consistently backed gun control legislation. . . . Obama has long backed gun-control measures, including a ban on semiautomatic weapons and concealed weapons, and a limit on handgun purchases to one a month." [3]

Obama also voted for legislation which would have banned the sale of almost all centerfire rifle ammunition, because such ammunition is designed to propel a bullet at a velocity which happens to be sufficient not only to kill game, but also to penetrate the lowest level of police body armor. [4].

The Obama strategy is similar to that of the repetitive wife abuser who seeks to recouncile with his wife after beating her. Flowers, candy and loving words are poured out by the abuser on his victim. The message is: "Pay attention only to what I say and ignore what I have done." Unfortunately, another beating will be administered in the future. As The Politico article notes, the Obama campaign's position statement on gun control parrots respect for the Second Amendment (while claiming "the right is subject to [supposedly] reasonable and common sense regulation"), but is silent on Obama's voting record. [5].

Should gunowners trust Obama? Only if they want to receive a beating.

NOTES:

1. See Obama and Guns: Two Different Views. http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,347690,00.html.

2. Pearson, Rich, An Open Letter to the Nations Hunters and Sportsmen. http://www.goapvf.org/

3. See Obama Aims for Pro-Gun Vote. http://dyn.politico.com/printstory.cfm?uuid=20540C15-3048-5C12-005991548....

4. See http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0908/Obama_seeks_to_take_down_NRA... Note: Click on "continue reading Obama seeks to take down NRA ad".

5. See Obama Aims for Pro-Gun Vote. http://dyn.politico.com/printstory.cfm?uuid=20540C15-3048-5C12-005991548.... Note: Another impartial source on Obama's position on gun control is: http://www.issues2000.org/Domestic/Barack_Obama_Gun_Control.htm (" If there was any issue on which Obama rarely deviated, it was gun control. He was the most strident candidate when it came to enforcing and expanding gun control laws.").

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Expect SoCo to jump into this and loudly proclaim that all of that is irrelevant and doesn't represent Obama's stance.

In his commentary yesterday, Thomas Sowell said that "Obama knows what con men have long known, that their job is not to convince skeptics but to enable the gullible to continue to believe what they want to believe."

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expatriate wrote:
Expect SoCo to jump into this and loudly proclaim that all of that is irrelevant and doesn't represent Obama's stance.

In his commentary yesterday, Thomas Sowell said that "Obama knows what con men have long known, that their job is not to convince skeptics but to enable the gullible to continue to believe what they want to believe."

Hey there buddy, you know the challenge, were going to compare our gun vaults here on biggamehunt.net in one year on Nov. 5th 09 and every year thereafter. As they say the proof is in the pudding.

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See what I mean? Cultish devotion and no method of refuting it but to hold his hands on his ears and repeat, "The One has spoken...he's not anti-gun. The One has spoken...he's not anti-gun."

Sowell said it best. There have been a lot of psychological studies of this type of follower mentality -- from Nuremberg to Waco.

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expatriate wrote:
See what I mean? Cultish devotion and no method of refuting it but to hold his hands on his ears and repeat, "The One has spoken...he's not anti-gun. The One has spoken...he's not anti-gun."

Sowell said it best. There have been a lot of psychological studies of this type of follower mentality -- from Nuremberg to Waco.

I literally had to laugh out loud when I read this one. You are indeed a funny guy! And remember according to Mccain it's "That One" not "The One".

I will let you now get back to your altar of Hannity and Limbaugh.

Take er easy!

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Personally, I figure you'll only be on this forum for another week, SoCo. I can't believe that an actual hunter would be so easily deluded, so unable to think for himself, and so utterly one-dimensional when it comes to a political candidate.

Your stubborn refusal to think for yourself or do anything but propagandize shows your colors.

How many other forums do you do this on? After the election, I bet you'll just fade away...

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Nuremberg to Waco.

I've always thought of Hitler as being a righty and that Waco fellow was a religious fanatic gun nut. What next Ruby Ridge? OK city McVeigh? Might be a better analogy somewhere else.

Looks like Obama has about half the rural vote, that's a lot of hunters and shooters.

I got a kick when those W Virginian Union Miners wouldn't let the NRA on the mine site to shoot an ad, shut the whole place down. You think those hill billys in W Virginia like hunting and shooting? I do.

The anti Obama NRA is nothing about gun rights and all about politics. Same guys that kept us from health care for twelve extra years. Just think, without the NRA we probably wouldn't have had Bush, or shoot em in the face Cheney.

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SoCoKHntr wrote:
expatriate wrote:
Expect SoCo to jump into this and loudly proclaim that all of that is irrelevant and doesn't represent Obama's stance.

In his commentary yesterday, Thomas Sowell said that "Obama knows what con men have long known, that their job is not to convince skeptics but to enable the gullible to continue to believe what they want to believe."

Hey there buddy, you know the challenge, were going to compare our gun vaults here on biggamehunt.net in one year on Nov. 5th 09 and every year thereafter. As they say the proof is in the pudding.

SoCo is missing the point.

I am an attorney. You have to be aware that it is not as simple as "taking our guns away" all at once. Chief Justice Marshall, the first chief justice of the United States Supreme Court once wrote that "the power to tax is the power to destroy." He could just as truthfully have written that "the power to regulate is the power to destroy."

Obama and his Democratic cohorts can make life miserable for gun owners without banning a single gun or taking one gun from a private owner. They can do it through legislation or through administrative rules from the Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms Division. Shouldn't gun owers pay for all that gun crime? How about a 500% tax increase on ammunition, as Obama supported in the past?[1] What about a $50.00 or $100.00 annual fee for every gun owned?

How about tightening up on those nasty gun dealers, i.e. if they don't do $100000 or $250000 of business a year, or if any of the guns sold by them has ever been used to commit any kind of crime, they don't qualify to continue their license. Just use your imagination. How about an arsenal license at say, oh $1000 a pop for everyone who owns over 5 guns? How about a nationwide ban on firearms dealers within 5 miles of a school or park, as Obama supported in 1999.[2] Do you get the picture? It's not "taking your guns", it's the death of a thousand cuts. It's all "reasonable","common sense" regulation. It's for the children!

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1. http://volokh.com/archives/archive_2008_02_17-2008_02_23.shtml#1203389334

2. Id.

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SoCo is missing the point.

Stick around it happens all the time, but that is just peachy because apparently he can bench press a bunch.

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It's not "taking your guns", it's the death of a thousand cuts. It's all "reasonable","common sense" regulation. It's for the children!

Leave it to an attorney to realize that there is more than one way to skin a cat. Welcome aboard we could all use some more rationalism.

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The anti Obama NRA is nothing about gun rights and all about politics. Same guys that kept us from health care for twelve extra years. Just think, without the NRA we probably wouldn't have had Bush, or shoot em in the face Cheney.
I didn't know the NRA had a stance on health care. Without the NRA we wouldn't have this forum and we wouldn't have teh 2nd ammendment. Health care? Are you really advocating that you would allow someone to chip away at the constitution and bill of rights so you can get a health plan? Can any gun awner really be that ignorant and shallow?
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SoCoKHntr wrote:
expatriate wrote:
Expect SoCo to jump into this and loudly proclaim that all of that is irrelevant and doesn't represent Obama's stance.

In his commentary yesterday, Thomas Sowell said that "Obama knows what con men have long known, that their job is not to convince skeptics but to enable the gullible to continue to believe what they want to believe."

Hey there buddy, you know the challenge, were going to compare our gun vaults here on biggamehunt.net in one year on Nov. 5th 09 and every year thereafter. As they say the proof is in the pudding.

The fair test is not how many guns you still own, but whether there has been any legislation restricting gun ownership, ammunition, gun bans of any sort or appointments of judges with anti-gun leanings.

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