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New York now limits magazine

New York now limits magazine capacities to 7. Great when the criminals have 30 you will be limited and put at a serious disadvantage   

 

I would support reasonable gun laws if they worked but they don't. 

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During Hurricane Sandy

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New York now limits magazine capacities to 7. Great when the criminals have 30 you will be limited and put at a serious disadvantage   

 

I would support reasonable gun laws if they worked but they don't. 

Look at everything New York has done legislatively to restrict it's lawful citizens from the right to own firearms.  After Hurricane Sandy the mainstream media (along with Obama himself) was reporting how law and order were under control in those NY coastal communities.  That was not the case at all.  There were residence calling in to talkshows and free media around the country begging for help, reporting what was really happening - theft, robbery, and looting were occuring against respectable citizens by preditorial type criminals who had guns.  I bet many of those lawful people who fell victim in that situation were sure wishing they had access to firearms to defend themselves with.  Nope the lawful person there had to resort to using kitchen knives against bad guys with guns. 

Obama didn't want the rest of the country to hear about any of that stuff in NY.  It would prove that his agenda and more gun laws leave people defenseless.  His agenda and executive orders on guns have nothing to do with public safety.  It's all about government control over the people and nothing more. 

Can anyone tell me why is it that in places that restrict lawful gun ownership, like Chicago and New York, D.C, etc, it's seems to be only the criminals that have guns?????  Gee why is that?  Oh I know....it's because restrictive gun laws don't work!  This is why I don't support and never will support any new gun legislation regardless of how reasonable it may seem on paper.  It only hurts and restricts the law abiding citizen, people like you and I.

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I must say.

I really enjoyed that tv commercial that the NRA put out againt Obama yesterday. It really makes a great point. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KeHOdJl2Ahs

Another point that's been made after the press conference yesterday is about Obama's plan to creat a national government program that will teach and promote firearm safety, responsibility, and proper use.  Hmmm....another tax payer funded government program.  We already have a private runned member funded organization that's been doing that very same thing very well on a national level for the last 100+ years.  Their called the NRA.....an organization that the Obama administration seems to discard and shun.  There goes more taxes going to a government program set up by anti-gunners and people who know nothing about guns, trying to duplicate what the NRA has been doing for over 100 years. 

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Obama and Gun Bans

What I find interesting is that I've recently become some sort of life coach for first-time gun buyers.  Some of them are even anti-hunters who have been critical of gun owners in the past.  They now want to buy a gun for one reason: self defense.  And they're worried that if they don't buy now, they may lose that ability.   My response is always set aside anything that's been said in the past and take them to the range to try some things out, followed by lunch.  People are nervous out there, and this is an enormous teaching moment for gun owners.  While we all have our feelings on slogans like "molon labe", now is the time to be a missionary for the 2nd Amendment, rather than appearing angry and scary.

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You make a good point. We, as

You make a good point. We, as hunters and gun owners, must conduct our own PR campaign. We must present a commonsense, rational and guy next door appearance. And we must be knowledgable about the 2nd amendment. 

something that I frequently tell people is they jeopardize all rights when they erode one. If you believe that the 2nd amendment needs to changed then by all means seek to change it, but do it the right way, not by passing unconstitutional laws. 

When you infringe upon the rights affirmed by the second amendment you set the precedent for infringing upon all rights. 

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Gun Bans and 2nd Amendment

Just want to remind everyone that when you write to your elected officials urging them to oppose any new gun legislation, or when introducing someone new to shooting and firearms, make sure to place emphisis on what the 2nd Amendment means and what it was intended for, it's purpose.  From what I hear recently it is obvious to me that too many Americans today have completely missed the whole point of the 2nd Amendment.

I'm continually amazed on how little most of these elected officials actually know about the true purpose for the 2nd Amendment and the history of the founding of this nation.  I keep getting replies from my representatives referencing  rights of gun ownership for hunting, sporting, and target shooting purposes, while in the same paragraph refereing to weapons of war as "bad" things that no lawful person should own.  There is an obvious disconnect here between what they think we should own and what the 2nd Amendment gives of the RIGHT to own. 

We have a duty to educate our elected officials and fellow citizens.  Let them know that the 2nd Amendment was written with the sole intent of both personal protection and national security in mind.  Allowing the individual citizen freedom from fear, freedom from tyranny, and the ability to take up arms and mobilize in case of foreign invasion.  Let them know that the 2nd Amendment was put in place to limit any agressive power of the government against the people, limiting the governmnet from oppressing the people. Let them know that the full rights of the 2nd Amendment in todays world cannot be exercised without the use of modern firearms designed for the modern battlefield.  Let them know that at the time of the American Revolution, it was the citizen soldiers and civilian colonists who actually owned and used better firearms than their British Army. If we apply those principals today, there is no reason why a lawful citizen should not be allowed to own a modern semi-automatic rifle like and AR-15, for example.  There is no reason why we should be limited from buying the type and quanity of ammunition we want and need, or limited in magazine capacity. I know we are all sportsman here, but the 2nd Amendment was never about hunting.  Educate your representatives. At the same time educate the youth about this stuff.  One day they will be voters.

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Who were the amendments for?

The one thing I see missing from alot, if not almost all, discussions about the second amendment is the fact that The Constitution and the accompanying Amendments are what the Government is supposed to be charged with PROTECTING for us. They were not put in place to "limit" us or even as "guidelines" for us. These are 'Rights" endowed upon us by our Creator and bestowed upon us at birth and the Constitution clearly states that the Government nor the States have authority to add to, change, or do away with any of the Amendments except as provided for and in the prescribed manner by the Constitution.
In short, the Constitution and the Amendments are the Government's rule book not ours. We have sat around silently and let the Government slowly whittle away at these rights, that they have no authority to do so, for the promise of "safety".
As WesternHunter explains we, the people have every right to whatever weapons we want and can afford including "Assault" weapons. The second amendment is in place to give the citizenry them means to abolish a tyrannical Government and not to protect weapons that we "need" or that are to be used for hunting and target practice.
It is silly when you are expected to hide and wait for death while waiting for police to show up carrying....."assault" weapons. It is the Victims who will have the first encounter with an armed madman intent on Evil doings and not the Police, making the valid argument that we should be the more heavily armed as we are the front line defense against crime.
Anyone believing that the Government and/or Police will not fire on you with their superior firepower need only remember Waco. Right or wrong those inside those Church buildings that were rammed with Tanks,TANKS!!, included women and children that they knew were in there from the beginning. Compare this with current ROE given to our troops in Afghanistan and Iraq. Ask the mother and daughter whose only crime was to be inside a Truck that matched the description of a rouge cop in LA. Over a billion, yes with a "b" rounds of ammo, hollow point ammo, which is illegal under the Geneva Convention Rules to be used against enemy combatants, bought by Government Agencies not military to be used on who?
Folks better start paying attention.

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The one thing I see missing from alot, if not almost all, discussions about the second amendment is the fact that The Constitution and the accompanying Amendments are what the Government is supposed to be charged with PROTECTING for us. They were not put in place to "limit" us or even as "guidelines" for us. These are 'Rights" endowed upon us by our Creator and bestowed upon us at birth and the Constitution clearly states that the Government nor the States have authority to add to, change, or do away with any of the Amendments except as provided for and in the prescribed manner by the Constitution.
In short, the Constitution and the Amendments are the Government's rule book not ours. We have sat around silently and let the Government slowly whittle away at these rights, that they have no authority to do so, for the promise of "safety".
As WesternHunter explains we, the people have every right to whatever weapons we want and can afford including "Assault" weapons. The second amendment is in place to give the citizenry them means to abolish a tyrannical Government and not to protect weapons that we "need" or that are to be used for hunting and target practice.
It is silly when you are expected to hide and wait for death while waiting for police to show up carrying....."assault" weapons. It is the Victims who will have the first encounter with an armed madman intent on Evil doings and not the Police, making the valid argument that we should be the more heavily armed as we are the front line defense against crime.
Anyone believing that the Government and/or Police will not fire on you with their superior firepower need only remember Waco. Right or wrong those inside those Church buildings that were rammed with Tanks,TANKS!!, included women and children that they knew were in there from the beginning. Compare this with current ROE given to our troops in Afghanistan and Iraq. Ask the mother and daughter whose only crime was to be inside a Truck that matched the description of a rouge cop in LA. Over a billion, yes with a "b" rounds of ammo, hollow point ammo, which is illegal under the Geneva Convention Rules to be used against enemy combatants, bought by Government Agencies not military to be used on who?
Folks better start paying attention.

The reason we are in the shape we are in, as a nation, is because folks haven't been paying attention.
I fear the country I love is lost.

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JTapia wrote:
The one thing I see missing from alot, if not almost all, discussions about the second amendment is the fact that The Constitution and the accompanying Amendments are what the Government is supposed to be charged with PROTECTING for us. They were not put in place to "limit" us or even as "guidelines" for us. These are 'Rights" endowed upon us by our Creator and bestowed upon us at birth and the Constitution clearly states that the Government nor the States have authority to add to, change, or do away with any of the Amendments except as provided for and in the prescribed manner by the Constitution. In short, the Constitution and the Amendments are the Government's rule book not ours. We have sat around silently and let the Government slowly whittle away at these rights, that they have no authority to do so, for the promise of "safety". As WesternHunter explains we, the people have every right to whatever weapons we want and can afford including "Assault" weapons. The second amendment is in place to give the citizenry them means to abolish a tyrannical Government and not to protect weapons that we "need" or that are to be used for hunting and target practice. It is silly when you are expected to hide and wait for death while waiting for police to show up carrying....."assault" weapons. It is the Victims who will have the first encounter with an armed madman intent on Evil doings and not the Police, making the valid argument that we should be the more heavily armed as we are the front line defense against crime. Anyone believing that the Government and/or Police will not fire on you with their superior firepower need only remember Waco. Right or wrong those inside those Church buildings that were rammed with Tanks,TANKS!!, included women and children that they knew were in there from the beginning. Compare this with current ROE given to our troops in Afghanistan and Iraq. Ask the mother and daughter whose only crime was to be inside a Truck that matched the description of a rouge cop in LA. Over a billion, yes with a "b" rounds of ammo, hollow point ammo, which is illegal under the Geneva Convention Rules to be used against enemy combatants, bought by Government Agencies not military to be used on who? Folks better start paying attention.

Lets not forget what happened at Ruby Ridge and the Weaver family.  Marshalls trespassing on private property without the proper warrant, failure to identify themselves when discovered. Shooting a child in the back simply because that child was defending himself on his families property when confronted by unidentified camo clad men who just shot his dog.  Oh yeah lets not forget Randy Weaver being shot in the back while doing nothing but checking on his dead sons body.  Oh yeah lets not forget the FBI sniper firing on Randy Weaver, Kevin Harris, and Sarah Weaver as they were fleeing away back into their house.  That bullet fired on them stuck and killed the unarmed wife while she was holding their baby.  That family had every reason to believe they would be massacared if they surrendered.  Who wouldn't think that being in that situation?  All of that simply because Randy Weaver would not become an informant for the ATF resultig in him being charged over a dispute on 1/32nd of an inch on a shotgun barrel.  And people say the governmnmet won't turn on people.  A clssic example of government tyranny right there as the nation watched on tv.  Defamation and the media was also another tool the governmnet used to justify their actions as we watched live.  This is why they want to take away our guns.  It gives them more control over us.  Has nothing to do with public safety.

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I've written my rep's and

I've written my rep's and signed every protest I've seen. Unfortunately I'm not opotimistic any of it will do any good. It's my feeling that most the representatives in Washington only care about protecting the constotution  six months before election's till one day after. i have been discouraged by this government for a long time, worse, the people of this country are appaling, they will trade freedoms for precived safty any day.

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