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Although I don't agree with

Although I don't agree with everything the NRA does I am a life member because they do a lot of good. Even better on a local level are groups like Rocky Mountain Gun Owners. They are 100% committed to the cause.

Don't complain about what happens if you are not part of the fight to stop it.

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hunter25 wrote:

Don't complain about what happens if you are not part of the fight to stop it.

 

I am afraid I'll have to disagree with this statement. Although I too am a member of the NRA I don't necessarily believe that they HAVE to fight for my Gun Rights. I believe that where the NRA does the most good is where they can let Politicians know that we gun owners are paying attention and are informed. An informed Voter is a dangerous one to many politicians.

 

The Constitution does not guarantee me my right to keep and bear arms, that is my God given right. The Constitution states what the Government can and can not do and not what I can do. It is their(Governments) rule book not mine.There is not a single politician or group of politicians that can change the Constitution, oh they may enact legislation that will be challenged in court and eventually the SCOTUS who will, hopefully if they follow the Constitution, strike it down. It is a greater concern to me and fellow Americans who believe that the Constitution is a static document rather than a progressive one, to be aware of who our elected President may appoint to the SCOTUS as it is their rulings and opinions that can and will determine what the words written will actually be interpreted as, and likewise enforced as.

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JTap,

While I agree with you in theory, I must disagree in practice. We unfortunately live in a world where elected officials and sometimes even appointed ones make a regular practice of "interpreting" the constitution and bill of rights to mean what they want it to at the time. The NRA is unfortunately the ONLY organization (with any power anyway) who's primary goal is fighting for those rights. Others, such as the ACLU claim to fight for individual rights, but actually do so only if it suits their left wing agenda. The NRA's greatest assets are money and membership numbers. IE: Active voters. The more voters and members the NRA gets, the more power their lobbiests have in Washington at crunch time.  Relying on the constitution is a laudable goal but unfortunately un realistic given our lawmakers and their current agenda. The constitution points out our God given rights to those too dumb or unconcerned to understand them. It does not however, have the ability to protect them or even itself. That is our job.

To not fight them with everything in our power is to allow the eventual destruction and desecration of our core documents and what they stand for. The greatest threats to our freedoms are sadly and ironicly from Washington, not from abroad. At least since 1812 or so. We must unfortunately fight and be vigilant.

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Bravo BunnySlayer---I couldn't have said it any better that your post just did!!!

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The Constitution is no theory and is "real life".

Amendments can not be changed, altered , added or repealed without 3/4th's of the States approval during a Constitutional Convention which can only be called for if 2/3rd's of the States call for it.

Anyone in Congress or the Senate can propose legislation and it have the chance to come to a floor vote and that legislation may pass but if it is in violation of the Constitution then it will most certainly be challenged in the courts with the SCOTUS having the final say. They also interpret existing Articles in the Constitution so the SCOTUS is where the concern should be. Only the President with Senate approval can appoint SCOTUS Justices and those Justices can not be lobbied.

 

Your gun rights, and mine as well, face the most serious threat of infringement at the Local and State level, not at the Federal level other than the appointment of anti gun SCOTUS justices.

There are no National gun control laws other than  Brady Gun Bill and you have to apply for the Federal Firearm License thru the BATF but even that has to have local approval before you can obtain a Firearms dealers license.

I would suggest that one keep informed at the local and state level and vote accordingly. I would not depend on the NRA, who by the way, endorsed  Harry Reid, a man who voted for the Brady Gun Bill. I think they have somehow lost their way.

 

I am not saying that there are no threats but they are primarily not from Washington. The current threat would be in limiting or restrictions on ammunition as enforced by the BATF or perhaps the reinstitution of the AWB, but not the elimination or alteration of the 2nd amendment.

As WH pointed out, there are over 80 million gun owners. Would you want to try and disarm 80 million?  If only 5% stood up and said "no way man you are gonna have to take them from us" that is still a sizable army of armed and motivated men and women, more than any standing army on this planet.

 

Jus sayin.

 

In closing I must ask, Are you sure the ACLU is left wing leaning? Whistling

 

 

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JTapia wrote:

The Constitution is no theory and is "real life".

Amendments can not be changed, altered , added or repealed without 3/4th's of the States approval during a Constitutional Convention which can only be called for if 2/3rd's of the States call for it.

Anyone in Congress or the Senate can propose legislation and it have the chance to come to a floor vote and that legislation may pass but if it is in violation of the Constitution then it will most certainly be challenged in the courts with the SCOTUS having the final say. They also interpret existing Articles in the Constitution so the SCOTUS is where the concern should be. Only the President with Senate approval can appoint SCOTUS Justices and those Justices can not be lobbied.

 

Your gun rights, and mine as well, face the most serious threat of infringement at the Local and State level, not at the Federal level other than the appointment of anti gun SCOTUS justices.

 

 

I am not saying that there are no threats but they are primarily not from Washington. The current threat would be in limiting or restrictions on ammunition as enforced by the BATF or perhaps the reinstitution of the AWB, but not the elimination or alteration of the 2nd amendment.

 

Jus sayin.

 

In closing I must ask, Are you sure the ACLU is left wing leaning? Whistling

 

 

The Constitution is real life, only if we make it so and keep it that way. Yes amendments CAN be changed and have in the past. I'm not saying it's likely, just possible and is something we must guard against. SCOTUS is an appointed body, not elected by the people and can be and are influencened by those who appointed them, IE: Presidents who may or may not have our best interests in mind. SCOTUS has allways (despite the fact that they are not supposed to) legislated from the bench, as many Judges do. What those decisions will be depends on the personal politics and whims of these political appointees. Very dangerous IMHO as they are not answerable to anyone.  The NRA is far from perfect. Unfortunately they are the only game in town at the moment. I do agree that they should not be solely relied upon but that we should vote, be active in the community, write letters to elected officials and do all within our power at the local level to suppliment what is being done at the federal level.  Additionally state Governments are limited to what they can and cannot do by the constitution and bill of rights, so while there may no direct threat at the Federal level, our state legislators cannot technically make any laws which contradicts the Constitution and Bill of rights. At least their not supposed to.  The only true threat to the Bill of Rights CAN be from Washington and to say it's not there is to stick one's head in the sand and hope for the best. Example you say? Here in California AB962 ( a bill which would have required registration of all ammo purchases and eliminated mail order ammo sales and was signed into law by a Republican Governor) was overturned as unconstitutional this January. In other words the state was restricted as to what it could do AT THE FEDERAL LEVEL. It's not far out of the realm of possibility that this could change. We must guard against this dilligently.

Just sayin

 

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I've been an annual member every year since 1984.  The mailing from them have reduced signifigantly over the last couple years and I've never recieved a single phone call from them for anything ever.  I don't mind their picks of political candidates.  I don't really take it as being told who to vote for, but rather I use it as a guide to look deeper into a candidate with. 

Keep in mind that the lobbying efforts and political involvement of the NRA is only a fairly recent and new activity for them.  Traditionally the NRA never lobbied.  Once the anti's started becoming too zealous against guns and gun ownership, politics is something the NRA decided they had to be involved in in order to help and assist to preserve our right.  I commend them for taking on such a bold action.  But politics and lobbying is not the reason they were ever founded, there simply was no need for political activism for much of it's history.  NRA was founded to teach, preserve, and promote the sport of shooting in safety, training, and civilain marksmanship. You have to keep in mind that it wasn't until the latter part of the 20th century that we really started seeing our 2nd Amendment Rights being rigourously attacked from many different groups and politicians, largely influenced and encouraged with the help of the mainstream media and their excess air time to misrepresent guns and gun ownership.  Hollywood and TV hasn't done much to help our cause either.

There are 80 million gun owners in this country.  Just imagine the statement 80 million NRA members would make to Congress.  Just imagine what those numbers would say to the anti's.  We don't have but a small fraction of that 80 million as NRA members at any given time.  Too bad not every gun owner takes the preservation of their rights so seriously today.

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One of the points I was trying to make is the voters themselves. I listen to people complain every day about this issue or others. But when you start asking questions you find out they never take the time to even go and vote. 80 million gun owners mean nothing if they don't get up and vote.

I'm not saying everyone needs to lobby and send all the money they have. By fighting I simply mean voting and calling your representatives. This costs people nothing but some time, yet most will not do it.

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hunter25 wrote:

One of the points I was trying to make is the voters themselves. I listen to people complain every day about this issue or others. But when you start asking questions you find out they never take the time to even go and vote. 80 million gun owners mean nothing if they don't get up and vote.

I'm not saying everyone needs to lobby and send all the money they have. By fighting I simply mean voting and calling your representatives. This costs people nothing but some time, yet most will not do it.

You make a very valid and good point!

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