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Obama admin unclear on gun control

The bottom line is that we can't trust them (and by that I mean all politicians) but at least Obama hasn't initiated any new gun control.  Here's an article on it that came out yesterday:

Are Stricter Gun Laws in the Works?

 

There is strong sentiment rising in the gun community that the Arizona shooting rampage will be used as leverage for the Obama Administration to push for stricter gun laws. Certainly if New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg had his way, those laws would already be in place.

According to anti-gun activists like Bloomberg, 34 people are killed each day across America by firearms.

"Thirty-four people killed yesterday; 34 people killed today; 34 people killed tomorrow," Bloomberg told MSNBC last week. "Every day, bigger than Virginia Tech — and nobody cares."

To help support his agenda, Bloomberg recently released the results of an investigation revealing that in January,  unlicensed dealers at a gun show in Phoenix sold firearms illegally. Two undercover investigators, hired by New York City, were able to purchase firearms from two dealers at the event.  The  buyers even tried to push the boundaries of the law by revealing they "probably couldn't pass" a background check.

Unlicensed gun vendors are prohibited from selling firearms if they "know" or have "reason to believe" the buyer is banned from possessing a gun.

After the results of the investigation were released, White House spokesman Robert Gibbs dodged the question of whether or not the Obama Administration would be seeking stricter gun control laws.

"We believe that there are reasons that federal laws are on the books," Gibbs said, "and the need … to strongly adhere to and follow existing law is important not just in the purchase of weapons, but throughout our civil life."

Gibb's then left the podium and refused to answer a follow-up question.

What does this mean for gun owners? Over the past two years the Obama Administration has shied away from stricter gun control policies, knowing they would be difficult, if not impossible, to change. This was reinforced in  February of 2009, when Attorney General Eric Holder promoted a return of the assault-weapons ban, which had expired five years earlier. Sixty-five House Democrats wrote to the White House condemning the proposal.

These philosophies appear to be changing in the wake of the Arizona rampage. The 16 Democrats on the Judiciary Committee recently sent a letter that urged Chairman Lamar Smith (R-Texas) to stage gun-safety hearings in response to the Tucson shootings.

Only time will tell what the second half of President Obama's term will bring concerning gun control legislation. Second Amendment advocates should view recent events as a sign they need to remain vigilant in their efforts, or they risk seeing all the accomplishments of the previous 10 years washed away in an anti-gun tide.

Kyle Scanlon is the editor of Outdoors Magazine. Email him at kyle@elkpublishing

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Give him time

I've allways maintained that Obama will not take on the NRA while still electable. If he makes a second term, this is when the real war on the second amendment will take place.

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That's very, true, Bunny.

That's very, true, Bunny.  Presidents generally move further toward the right or left (depending on their party) in their second term.  Obama has already demonstrated that he doesn't give a hoot about the rest of his party, because obviously it's all about him and he's wiling to throw his own people under the bus to save himself.  I can only imagine what he'd try to accomplish if he had nothing to lose.

I'm boggled to see how the press is spinning his "move to the center."  The simple fact is that his move has nothing to do with a change of heart and everything to do with a Republican controlled House.  But what really blows my mind is to see him and the media trying to invoke Ronald Reagan's image and claim that he's being just like Reagan.  I even saw a left-wing pundit complaining that Republicans were trying to claim Reagan, because Reagan wasn't like that at all.   This stuff is getting so obvious and so ridiculous that it's like watching North Korean propaganda anymore.

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No trust

Right now I'm not nearly as worried about Obama as I am about New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg. I don't know of any politician as anti-gun as the mayor of NYC. But to be candid I don't feel good about trusting any President with my gun rights.  True Obama hasn't really done much to enact any type of gun control while on office, but if I recall, Obama did sign legislation allowing conceal carry by permit inside national parks, did he not?  George W Bush (in response to what happend during Katrina) also signed legislation into law prohibiting the feds from confiscating guns from lawful citizens during times of disaster or crisis.  As far as the 1994 Assault Weapons Ban goes he simply allowed it to sunset.  I don't interpret that as him having any special affection for citizens rights to own various types of guns.  I interpret it as an event where he simply had to do absolutely nothing.  Maybe George W. had better things to do at the time or just had too much on his plate to deal with, simply put it was a path of least resistance for him to waste time with it and I'm glad too.  But it's not like he went out of his way or did anything special to get the ban overturned while he was in office.  Bush Sr. got so mad at the NRA that he gave-up his lifetime membership shortly after he left office in 1992, not sure how one does that after you've already paid in full, but that shows how much he values the ordinary citizens right to keep and bear arms, by slapping the face of the most prominent gun rights organization.  Not to mension it's widely believed that Ronald Reagan himself said he would support an assault weapons ban.  I don't care how right-wing a President might be or is said to be.  I don't trust any republican with my gun rights anymore than I do a democrat. 

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Great points

I agree WH and Expat. No single leader should have that kind of power one way or the other. That was the whole point of the constitution and bill of rights. Not so we could duck hunt and watch porn (great side benefits that they are ) but so we wouldn't have to rely on the benevolence of a single individual for our rights. We have (so called) conservative Politicians here in Kalifornia who sign every piece of antigun legislation that crosses thier desk (Thanks Arnold) and still claim to be conservatives.

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Obama admin unclear on gun control

In "The Road to Serfdom" (1943), Austrian economist F.A. Hayek argued that while facism and socialism were at opposite ends of the political spectrum, they both grew out of the same soil -- collectivism and central planning.  Neither liberals or conservatives own the license to tyranny, because ultimately the driver is the subjugation of the individual for the sake of the collective.  Individual liberties are our strongest guarantee against despotism and servitude, and it's always best to beware of anyone who would erode them for the sake of the collective.

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IMHO stricter gun control

IMHO stricter gun control should mean shooters are to use both hands and thats it!!!!!!!!!!

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Join up

We can all do a little something about this if it really worries us this much.  How many here are actually regular consistant members of organizations like the NRA or RMGO?  I've encouraged it before and I'll continue to do so.  If you are not a member of either of these organization, and you value your gun rights, you need to join.  Your membership and money goes to the defense and lobbying of our 2nd Amendment Rights.  All gun owners should be NRA members, there is no excuse.  I'm almost hell bent on the idea that every new gun sold today should have a 1 year membership fee tacked on to the price.  I'm continualy amazed at how many hunters I talk to who are actually opposed to the NRA or don't take them serious enough to want to support such an organization.  How do these folk think they are going to continue to hunt with firearms if they don't take a stand with the most powerful gun organization in the country?

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I agree!

The NRA ( and it's affiliates) is unfortunately the only organization currently fighting for your rights as a gun owner. Many people dont join because they see it as a republican oriented organization when in fact it's not. It's simply that they support that party more because Republicans seldom (as a group anyway) attack the second amendment. The Democrats do.

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Not to change the subject but

Not to change the subject but one thing that myself and a lot of others don't like about the NRA are the phone calls and constant mailings asking for donations.  I know as far as myself that I will give what I can so don't ask me for any more.  This was discussed on another forum and I didn't find one member that said that it was OK for them to do it.  I personally believe that they could save quite a bit of cost if they would offer an opt out of the future donation and forget about the phone calls telling us about the politicians that we should or should not vote for.  That is one thing that has always turned me off with them.  I just can't stand somebody telling me who to vote for.  Weather it is the NRA, a union, or anybody else.

As far as Obama and not pushing for stricter gun control laws I personally believe that he and other members of congress still remember just what happened to Clinton and his cronies.  But then again the same thing happened to Bush and his economic policies just a few years ago.  People just don't like to be told what to do in this nation.   

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do not call list

Critter wrote:

Not to change the subject but one thing that myself and a lot of others don't like about the NRA are the phone calls and constant mailings asking for donations.  I know as far as myself that I will give what I can so don't ask me for any more. 

I'm a life NRA member and the first time I rec'd one of those calls asking for more money I told them that I was a life member and as far as I was concerned, I had prepayed my lifetime of future contributions, so please take me off your call list.

They did.  I have not been called by the NRA since.  I get about one letter per year asking for donation or "membership upgrade" which I return with a note saying "save your postage and keep it as my donation".  I very rarely get mailings and never ever get called by them.  So if you are on their call list, just ask them to take you off and you should get good results.

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