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The reason I didn't vote for Obama is I believe he was lying to the American public to get elected. Not just spinning the truth, but outright lies.

His big campaign promise was that he wasn't going to raise taxes on the middle class. Well, this is clipped from the headlines today.

WASHINGTON – Two of President Barack Obama's economic heavyweights said middle-class taxes might have to go up to pare budget deficits or to pay for the proposed overhaul of the nation's health care system.

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I agree. Obama has outright lied about a great many things. We sure do tolerate a lot in this country. I think we preach and teach too much tolerance to our youth today if you ask me. However I do believe in tolerance to a certain extent, but there just becomes a time when one needs to call people out on certain things and let them know that some things just won't be tolerated. Our political and civic leaders should in no way be immune to this lack of tolerance. Truthfully I think we tolerated way too much B.S. from Bush Jr as well. Too bad that there is no honesty in American politics.

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In response to Obama's lies, I've heard, so what all politicians lie. So what??? We, as a people, should not tolerate it. We should hold politicians accountable and vote them out of office when they do not deliver on their promises or lie.

I agree about Bush and believe that Bush was not honest and forthcoming in regards to Iraq and then later I was concerned about the violation of our civil liberties by his administration.

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In response to Obama's lies, I've heard, so what all politicians lie. So what??? We, as a people, should not tolerate it. We should hold politicians accountable and vote them out of office when they do not deliver on their promises or lie.

I agree about Bush and believe that Bush was not honest and forthcoming in regards to Iraq and then later I was concerned about the violation of our civil liberties by his administration.

And those were just a few of the things I was getting at when I mensioned Bush. But you nailed it, ALL politicians need to be held to a much higher standard. Tolerance is way too over used and preached today.

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Wouldn't it be nice if any polotican caught in a intentional lie was not only removed from office but also lost any and all retirement benifits from the government. Never happen!

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Wouldn't it be nice if any polotican caught in a intentional lie was not only removed from office but also lost any and all retirement benifits from the government. Never happen!

Yes it would, but as you said it will never happen because it is the politicians that make the laws and they don't like making rules that apply to them.

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The economy's collapsing, and as a result tax revenue is down 18 percent. And all Obama wants to do is expand government and increase spending. Any fool can see where this is headed; the train wreck is just starting.

Civil liberties? How did Bush affect your civil liberties -- really? Compare wiretaps to the rhetoric coming out of the Dems now as part of the health care debate...not to mention gun control, press control, attacks on individuals, villifying success, etc.

Then there's the ongoing string of embarrassments on the international stage.

Before long people are going to be remembering Bush fondly as the "good old days." At least he put America first and wanted it to succeed.

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It is not relative - you can't say that by comparison Bush was not a bad president because Obama is worse. Bush had some good moments, but he was not a good president.

Yes wiretaps without a warrant is a bad thing when it is done against American citizens.

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I never believed Obama - not while he was campaigning or his recent promises. He's going to end up stabbing the middle class in the back, all the while coming up with excuses why he has to.

I simply don't trust Obama or most politicians. They're all corrupt and will say whatever gets them elected. Then once elected, they don't listen to their constituents and do whatever they please.

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I don't know that people will ever be looking back and thinking fondly about Bush, or regarding his presidency as the "good old days". As a conservative rightwing republican it sure pains me to say it, but I sure won't be one of them looking back with that regard. I believe he will eventually go down in US history as among one of the worst presidents. Just my opinion.

True, Bush was one of the more gun-friendly presidents we've had. He did do some good things things while in office that went a long way towards protecting and preserving our 2nd Amendment Rights. Allowing the so-called assualt weapons ban to sunset and signing into law HR 5013 (109th). I'll give him that and hold him in that high regard.

As far as Bush affecting civil liberties? Ever read HR 3162, better known as the Patriot Act? Not all, but certain provisions in that act scare the hell out of me. Enacting that piece of legislation and Bush may as well have just suspended the US Constitution instead. Not entirely, but I believe most of that legislation is a perfect example of Bush affecting civil liberties.

Obama has made sure he appointed certain people that sure don't believe in our civil liberties as well. We have way too many anti-gun people in his administration. That should speaks volumes to the American people.

All this talk about civil liberties. Makes me wonder why Congressman Ron Paul didn't get the support from the American people that he deserved. Seems like during this last election it was either Obama or McCain everyone was behind. Few citizens has the vision to see just how great Ron Paul would have been for this country, at least in regard to civil liberties.

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