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NY Changeing???

I recently heard that NY is considering switching to allow rifle hunting in all zones except westchester an long island. Does anyone know if this is true? I would love to see this happen.

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I haven't heard anything like that. would hate to see that happen. Instead I would like to see that state go shotgun. I live in Rensselaer County and it is rifle here not to many bucks around everything with antlers gets shot here. That Sucks let the little ones go.

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Location: Tonawanda NY
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NYHunter, I heard a while back there was a bill in the NY senate sponsored by Senator Voelker of WNY to legalize rifle in the Southern Zone. I guess all we can do is wait and see. Change takes time especially in NYS. Unless of course the change can get us for a few more tax dollars.

Until then I'll have to stick with my Encore 209x50 muzzleloader. A whole lot more fun to hunt with than a shotgun.

What I'd like to see is an early Muzzleloader season in the Southern Zone.

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Location: Tonawanda NY
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NY Archer. I read your post in whitetail deer forum " How many is too many". I will commend you for being a successful bowhunter,and congratulate you on the tags. you filled this year. You sound like hard hunting ethical meat hunter.

Now in this "NY Changing???" post I don't understand how you think taking a rifle out of a hunters hands a replacing it with a shotgun is going to make a big difference.

I've been hunting for 33 years in a shotgun only zone of the southern tier. I've used shotguns,single shot pistols when they were legalized and muzzleloaders. My muzzleloader by the way is my deergun of choice.

Most NY deerhunter are meat hunter. So whether most are using a 30-06 ,12ga, or a 50cal muzzleloader a spike or a 4 pt. is as big of a trophy in the freezer as a 10pt hanging on the wall.

If rifles are legalized in the Southern Zone fine. I'd probrably try it. If not thats ok too. But why would you like to see a privilage that a lot of people would love to have be taken away from those who already have it.

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Location: Tonawanda NY
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NYHunter I was looking back through the pages in this forum and found this:

Bill Would Expand Hunting Opportunities
U.S. Sportsmen's Alliance

Posted on: 08/01/03 [Comments?]

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A New York Senate Bill would expand deer and bear hunting opportunities in parts of the state.

Senate Bill 2326, sponsored by Sen. Dale Volker, R-Depew, would allow the use of rifles to hunt deer and bears in southern New York. In all, it would expand hunting opportunities in fourteen counties.

The bill has been approved by the Senate Committee on Environmental Conservation and awaits action in the Senate Rules Committee.

Take Action! New York sportsmen should contact their state senators and urge them to support SB 2326 to expand hunting opportunities. To find your senator and for contact information, call (518) 455-4218 or use the Legislative Action Center at http://www.ussportsmen.org.

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Str8, You make a great point and opened my eyes to a different side. I shouldn't be so quick to judge rifle hunter in my one hunting DMU, I under stand that they are taking legal deer according to NYS laws. In rensselaer county where I hunt they don't give out doe permits and most bucks are shot. The amount of bucks is low about 15-1 (does-bucks).
In my one DMU that I hunt in the southern NY it is shotgun and the amount of bucks their is out standing about a 3-1 (does-Bucks). I guess how I feel is that I wish both of those spots were that great. Changing the whole state to shotgun hunting only would not be the answer. I would on the other hand like to see the legal buck minimum changed from 3" to something like minim of 3 points on one side or something like that.

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Location: Tonawanda NY
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NYarcher, The three points minimum could be a viable solution to taking out all the young bucks. Pennsylvania put that law into effect the last year or two. I have a buddy down there, he said it wasn't a real popular law when it came about. Only time will tell if the buck population increases there.

One change in the regulations that helped the buck population in our area was the "Antlerless Only" deer management permit.I din't like it when it first came about but after a couple years the buck population grew and some nice big mature bucks were being seen and taken.

We are all resistant to change, but after we see the benefits that result from the changes we open our eyes.

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Hi Guy`s,

This bill has passed the assembaly and is now in the senate and is awating there vote when they all get back to work after the first of the year.

I just want to let everyone know this bill is from what i have heard having a hard time getting passed and it will need all of our help if we want to hunt with rifles in the southern tier.Just a remionder to write or call your elected offical and tell them to suport bill 2326 and to let us hunt with rifles in the southern tier

Riflemen10x

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Location: Georgia via SW New York
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I know that nobody but new people read old posts, but I had to put in my 2cents.

It is legal, as far as I know, for native americans to use rifles on the reservation. I grew up in Salamanca, the only city in the country built on a Indian Reservation, and as long as I can remember they have been using rifles, and I am pretty sure they left a couple deer in the woods... lol If they pass this law I probably will still use my Remington 11-87 12 ga. it is just as acurate out to about 125-50 yards w/sabots as my sons 30-30.

I don't think hunters will start killing off all the deer, most places I hunt in the southern tier you can't shoot or see much more than 100 yards!!

Good luck to all...

Rich