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What the hell is wrong with these people?

http://www.time.com/time/world/printout/0,8816,1535432,00.html

They keep telling us that Islam is a peaceful religion, but these murderousMuslims don't act very peacful. Every time I turn around they are screaming about something! First Abu-gihrab (sp?) prison pictures, then they came uncorked for some ridiculous cartoons.

Now the Pope has stepped in "it". From their reaction, I'd say the Pope understated the facts.

Quite frankly, I could give a Rat's behind how upset they are!
Get over it already!

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I agree. Don't expect Peace in The Middle East anytime soon.

In fact, I can't even expect it in my own home with any amount of certainty

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The JiHadists won't be HAPPY until our Western Culture/Civilization is wiped off the face of this Earth.

I really want to ignore them, but their IN. YOUR. FACE. attitude makes it impossible.

Look at the way SoDAMNInsane is disrupting his legal proceedings. What about the renegade Saudi Student whose DEFIANT behavior led to his detention and deportation?
(Part of the so-called "students" headed for Billings, MT.)

These people are arrogant, have NO MANNERS and want to annihilate us, as per numerous Mission Statements.

Why shouldn't we racially profile? I want one really good reason.

I am NOT hate-mongering. The facts speak volumes.

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People positively freak when the president uses the term "islamofascists," and yet isn't fascism marked by absolute power and forced supression of all opposition and criticism?

You gotta love the irony of the situation -- the Pope insinuates that Islamists are violence prone, and they respond by putting four bullets in the back of a nun's head, saying the Pope should be executed, and stating that eventually they're going to take over the world and give people a choice between conversion or the sword. And yet they have the gall to demand that the Pope apologize for his comments because he has it all wrong.

Anything endorsed by an almighty God should be able to withstand the ignorance of men.

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There have been numerous different groups, nations, races, and religions around the world over the centuries who have attempted some type of destruction to some other group of people for no good reason.

We need to be smarter than to just practice racial profiling. It's a certain behavior that we need to observe in potential terrorists (foreign and domestic). There are extreamists within every group of people and it's usually their behavior that sets them apart.

To just racially profile? That sounds very ignorant to me. No wonder we in the USA seem to get kicked in the croutch every so many years, only to rise back up after the damage is done and cry out loud "NEVER AGAIN". Then a few years later after we've let our guard down, we get kicked off our feet again. There is a whole lot more to it than just racial profiling. We need to be more observant than that. Don't get tunnel vision now!! It will end up costing you later.

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OK -- so just what is this behavior that we need to watch for? As far as I can tell, the overriding common factor has been that they've been young muslim men between 18-35. And it's not just the 9/11 guys -- look at who forms the bulk of the Islamists we're fighting, who constitutes the bulk of the population at GITMO, etc. It's a valid point to ask if it makes sense to just ignore that and pretend we didn't see it. Besides, behaviors can be concealed.

About a month after 9/11, I was flying commercial on a trip. Everything was going well until the ticket agent asked for ID. I showed her my military ID, and as she was typing, her supervisor looked over at the ID and said, "Profile." Suddenly I was directed behind the green curtain where every item of my luggage was unpacked and pawed through. They hit me again at the gate as well. I talked to some of the other people who had been at the same conference, and every one of the military members described the same experience I had -- and yet the civilians hadn't been checked at all.

I don't disagree ouright with the idea of profiling. But if we're going to do it we need to base it on the threat, not some political agenda.

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Here's a wee bit of solace, Expatriate...

I flew to Tennessee in late October, 2001. Round Trip, I had had a total of 4 plane changes and I was pulled out of line, my carry-on searched and double-scanned EACH AND EVERY TIME.

LOL...I am a blue-eyed Blonde in my mid Forties! I speak perfect english. Perhaps I was targeted due to my very slight southern accent? Too funny!

I flew to Dallas last Summer. It was a smidge irritating to remove my shoes and hair-barette, but I got over it fast. I was not "profiled" or searched. Apparently the higher-ups had figured out that Idaho housewives didn't pose much of a threat.

Who are these people hell-bent on annihilating the West? They are predominantly males of Mid-Eastern descent. I still see no valid reason NOT to "profile" based on the facts.

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The whole funny thing about it (well, not really funny) is that I believe you two when you describe what happened to you while traveling. It does make you wonder, and none of what happened to you makes any sense, but I still believe you.

True, it is a certain type of young muslem men who do these types of attacks. But there still is plenty of behavior we need to be observant of.

Talk about terrorists, within a week there have been 3 different school shootings. Two of these were caused by a grown adult white males who were hell bent on killing kids for no reason. The first one happened not more than 50 miles from where I live. These sick freaks could easily have done the same thing on board an airliner. What we need to teach ourselves and our children today is not to stand there and become a victim. Don't go along with your hostage taker. Bring as much violence to them before they can do it to you and maybe you'll survive.

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My question still stands: if we're not put increased emphasis on people based on physical characteristics, what behaviors should we be looking for when screening a planeload of people? If you want to behavior profile, what are we looking for? I'm curious, because the hijackers took great pains to blend in.

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WesternHunter wrote:
What we need to teach ourselves and our children today is not to stand there and become a victim. Don't go along with your hostage taker. Bring as much violence to them before they can do it to you and maybe you'll survive.

The deaths of these young children is very sad. It is also sad that I have had to discuss with my young daughter what to do if someone tries to kidnap her. I've told her fight, scream and do anything you can to get away because if they put you in the car you are likely to end up dead.

We've talked about using her head not to get into bad situations and also how to use it to get out.

No young child should have to learn these things, but we live in a sick society today.

Finally, profiling should not be the sole tool to use, but it is a tool. Yes, we must be observant of other things besides gender, races, national origin, but with limited resources, profiling can help.

If a white male robs a bank and runs into a building with blacks and asians and females is it really a good use of time and resources to focus on blacks or asians or should you focus on white males?

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CVC wrote:
WesternHunter wrote:
What we need to teach ourselves and our children today is not to stand there and become a victim. Don't go along with your hostage taker. Bring as much violence to them before they can do it to you and maybe you'll survive.

The deaths of these young children is very sad. It is also sad that I have had to discuss with my young daughter what to do if someone tries to kidnap her. I've told her fight, scream and do anything you can to get away because if they put you in the car you are likely to end up dead.

We've talked about using her head not to get into bad situations and also how to use it to get out.

No young child should have to learn these things, but we live in a sick society today.

Finally, profiling should not be the sole tool to use, but it is a tool. Yes, we must be observant of other things besides gender, races, national origin, but with limited resources, profiling can help.

If a white male robs a bank and runs into a building with blacks and asians and females is it really a good use of time and resources to focus on blacks or asians or should you focus on white males?

Unfortunately, the innocent Amish children didn't stand a chance against that psycho. Their families have alreadly forgiven the killer.

Here's an interesting website about identfying terrorists even before they strike:

http://www.brainwavescience.com

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