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Wow, where do I sit in my views? If i disagree with clear cutting, strip mining, predator extinction, river dumping, does this make me a pinko communist liberal granola eater?

I like to hunt and fish, enjoy seeing the rare predators even if he kills the occaisional highly endangered barnyard cow, I enjoy the redwoods standing tall instead of on a japanese teahouse floor, I enjoy fishing for salmon and dislike the farmers and so.cals from sucking the rivers dry. I hope the florida sugar farmers die like the glades they pollute.

Nothing i say makes corporate/ conservative sense but the liberals dont claim me either since I own guns and work for a living. What ever will i do.....am I a freak of nature with my views.......?....... Think

I wish the wolves well, I hope they can hold on against the cattle and poaching by thier rifle toting keepers.

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As far as I can tell, nature did a fine job of balancing predators and prey before people stepped in. I actually enjoy watching coyotes and bobcats rather than killing them; I also enjoy catching and releasing gar rather than killing them. I think in the majority of the cases, the alleged damage predators such as wolves, mountain lions, and bears do to game animal populations is greatly exaggerated, to say the least.

The natural role that predators play in the wild is to single out the weak, the sick, and the old. It seems to me, in no uncertain terms, that trophy hunters are doing the exact opposite. The fact is that a lot of these hunters think themselves to be more beneficial to the ecosystems than they actually are. I honestly believe that the whole relationship between the above-listed predators and hunters is, behind all the rhetoric, merely a conflict of interests. We want their share, so we make up excuses to exterminate them. It's a shame, really.

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"The natural role that predators play in the wild is to single out the weak, the sick, and the old."

Elk in the NW havn't been really hunted by wolves for say 50 + years. ( more like 70 years) Elk havn't had to deal with a predator of this caliber for 50+years. Now you slap wolves in with them. Which elk are weak in the eyes of a wolve? the sick elk or the elk that has never been hunted by wolves? I would say it's easy pickings all around...

Just a thought on the wolves....

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"The natural role that predators play in the wild is to single out the weak, the sick, and the old."
I believe it has been proven time and again that this statement is simply not true! Talk to the Hand

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50 years is hardly anything in the natural world. Elk lived with wolves for thousands of years before that 50 year period. During that time, they've been dealing with the mountain lion, and that includes in the national parks where they are not hunted by humans, and they aren't being annihilated by the cats or any other animal.

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hunter777 wrote:
"The natural role that predators play in the wild is to single out the weak, the sick, and the old."
I believe it has been proven time and again that this statement is simply not true! Talk to the Hand

Really? Is that why the weak, the old, and the sick animals are usually taken a lot faster than healthy individuals, time and again? Oh wait, they're probably too busy rounding up all the trophy class animals! Jesus. Talk to the Hand

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I agree that there's little evidence that wolves decimate game animal populations. Alaska's full of both. I will say, however, that Alaska manages predator populations as well as prey. Reintroductions must be realistic. Ranchers do need to be considered, because wolves aren't stupid; they'd much rather take down a sheep or calf than something tougher like an elk or deer.

My question is "why?" Who says wolves need to be reintroduced? Are wildlife populations so out of whack that they need to be controlled wih wolves? Or is it grounded in the idea that we want to return the Earth to some former state of nature? If that's the case, who determines the baseline utopian date? Given human conquest and settlement, we're dealing with a very different world than what Lewis & Clark saw. The train's left the station, and it's not as simple as waving a magic wand and getting it back.

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Utopian State? B.S. Us humans have taken 9 pieces of a 10 piece pie. Lets leave a few of these majestic animals to live before the last piece of the pie turns into a Super Walmart. Edited by MODERATOR.

There are too many people and not enough bears, wolves, elk, deer, antelope, bison....the list goes on and on. 1 million babies are squirted out on this planet every day. I million.......a Los Angeles every ten days. We are 6 billion and counting destroying everything in our path, people are worried about a couple dozen wolves.

To hell with the ranchers and thier cows.

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Coop - watch your step. Racial slurs are unnecessary and won't be tolerated on this forum. I suggest you edit your post or it will be edited or deleted for you.

I take it you don't eat beef?

Your posts are full of hostility. We're here to have civil discussions, not vent at everyone who's opinions differ from yours. Try some anger management classes.

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You do have to wonder about any species that knowingly dumps toxic waste into the same oceans it takes food from and swims in, poisons the air it breathes, desecrates the land, invents weapons capable of rendering the entire planet uninhabitable, and multiplies like rodents. With all due repsect to the people living in third-world countries and other undeveloped areas, it is stupid in more ways than one for them to continue popping out babies every time the wind blows; it's funny how these places that are ravaged by AIDS, famine, and conflict are also crowded and are becoming more crowded.

This planet is a gigantic landfill and we are the garbage.

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