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You miss-understand. One of the group's was 1 1/8" and the other was 3/4". this rifle regularly hover's just under an inch with this load when I do my part.

Anyway, Hammer run that excuse by your wife and see if she buy's it! In love If so, go ahead and send her, I'll send you a check! bs

By the way cam69conv, I wouldn't be happy with an 1 1/2" rifle either. What??

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"Two 3 shot group's 1 1/8th and 3/4" is what the gentleman said. No mention, to my knowledge, that he said 1 1/8 TO 1 3/4, you said that.
And I can't fathom for a moment why the powder charge would have to be reduced when we are only talking a 4 grain different in bullet weight, if anything I would be increasing it if possible and seating the bullet a bit tighter to reduce bullet jump.

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I better not send her Don. The last time I tried that there was a forty minute flight delay and she chewed her way out of the suitcase.

Just wait till she reads this Oops! Oops! Oops!

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Good grief man, I just quit raking leaves and burning in expectation of a new labor force! Mad Hey, did you try that B...........good excuse for a new rifle on her? How did it go? Yes

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OOPs......Missread the 1 to be 1 1/8 ....And in reducing (since he wouldnt be able to get closer to the lands because of the extedned throat) it will help with the bullet jump...If memory serves me (and lord knows it fails miserably after 40) the 125's are a a little bit shorter than the 129's....Lessening the Powder charge helps with bullet jump if you cant run the bullet out any tighter to the lands SOMETIMES....Increasing it will only exaggerate the jump more...Now Im no expert by far but this is just based on my lil ole experiance.

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Don't need a new rifle Don, I got a 270 Thumbs up

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You might want to re-think that 270, wait till you hear this. Went out shooting today, got back a little bit ago. Took my 6.5x55, 243. 6.5x06 and a 30-06. I'm not to serious with the 30-06. But the 6.5x55 w/140gr Hornady's gave me three three shot group's that averaged just under 2",,,,@ 250yds. The 243 w/ 75gr Hornady V-Max went just under 1 1/2" at the same range. The 6.5x06, you really do need one Big smile , gave me a 1 1/2" group, a 1 1/4" group and one group just over 3/4" at 250yds. Bullet was, of course, the 129gr Hornady. Now I shoot the 243 and the 6.5x06 on 6x but the 6.5x55 was set on it's highest power, 4x!

The 30-06, I shot some Herter 180gr semi-point bullets in, in unfired but mil primed FA 49 cases. With a 2 3/4x scope it got a 10 shot group at 100yds just over 2 1/2". Not great by any means but I wasn't even sure the primers would fire, no miss-fires!

So what did you guy's do today? :\:D/ Mr. Cool! Thumbs up I really love these little do-dad's![/list]

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Well, I did the dishes and then loaded up three strips of 270's. I had a few laser treatments on the eyes and I think I got a parallex problem to some degree and it all in elevation. I think I'm parallex free at 75yard and again at 125 yards Nothing I can't live with though.
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Don Hammer and Cam

I know this is Johnny come lately, but your thred has some value to me. I have a two year old 300 Win Mag and have loaded 180 gr Speer, Sierra and Nosler Partitions (Protected Point) for it. I have used IMR 4350 and R 22 powder measured the charges to 3/4 of maximum, based on my manuals.

There is no difference in the Speer or Sierra rounds at 100 yds, but the Nosler's shoot much different. The Noslers hit the paper two inches right and two inches high from the spot of the Speer and Sierra. I have always loaded my rounds a thousand's less than the OAL that the manual calls for and have not tinkered with that measurement. (Maybe I should)

None of the changes I have made have made a difference in the performance of the gun, except the Nosler Partition Protected Point bullet. I have even used 165 gr lead in Speer and Sierra with no noticable difference.

I am not the best shooter in the world so I am trying to practice as much as possible. (I have had significant improvement on doing my part the past two years.) The Speer and Sierra rounds are a little more cost effective when at the range pulling the trigger and feeling the recoil. I have always run 50- 75 rounds of Noslers though the gun just before hunting season to ensure the 300 WM, the Noslers and I are on the same page. I have the sights set for the Noslers, because that is what I hunt with and I just allow for any other bullet types I shoot.

That is the background, now for the question. I have heard from several different people from several locations around the states that Nosler Partition's do not always expand properly. The first time I heard this was at my shooting range and the others have been posts on this site and a few others. First, what are your thoughts on the Nosler Partitions in general and second, if I wanted to switch my hunting rounds, what bullet would you suggest.

I plan on hunting elk and deer with my 300 WM, but stepping down to a 165 gr for deer and up to a 180 gr for elk. I have thought about trying the Barnes X rounds, but I have heard that they too may not perform as intended. You may have a different opinion and I welcome any of your thoughts.

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Don't concern yourself with point of impact, just group size. Different brands of bullets will often shoot to a different point of impact. In fact different types from the same manufacturer could very well also.

Being your shooting a magnum and getting in the neighbor hood of 3000fps, I'd stick to premium bullets for hunting. The problem with standard bullets is at over about 2700-2800 fps, they have a greatly increased chance of coming apart at normal hunting ranges.

I'm probally not the guy to talk about premium bullets because I don't use them. That said, I doubt that there is a better premium bullet om the market than the Nosler partition. People can make any claims they want for any other bullet but Noslers design won't allow it to fail. I do think were I to go with a premium bullet, I'd look seriously at the Hornady and Nosler bonded bullets. I'm not sure their cost but I'd guess somewhat less than other premiums and they do pretty much the same job. Another route to concider would be to go with a 200gr standard bullet in the 300 win mag. The velocity level is down pretty close to where it should not tear up the bullet, they have a bit better balistic qualities and they are cheaper to shoot. I have always believed that the perfect match up for the 300 magnums was the 200gr bullet.

Switching between 165 and 180 gr bullets, I wouldn't do. It's an old fashion idea of mine that I find one load to use on everything. I don't know your reasoning for steping down for deer. The ranges you end up shooting will be about the same and a fast stepping 165gr bullet that clips a shoulder makes quite a mess. Also both loads will probally shoot to a different point of impact so when you switch loads you'll probally also have to rezero your rifle. I think the other guys here would agree with me that practicing with just one load will make you a better shot if for no other reason than you become so familuar with that load.

Hope this helps. Anything else, come on back.

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