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Northeast moose

I'm want to start appyling next year for moose in the northeast, any suggestions.
What do they call this sub-species, ours in Wyo/Id are Shiras

I can't afford "grand slam" on sheep, so I decided to try it on moose.
One down so far, 52" in Idaho

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To late to apply for this year and a bit to early to apply for next.
But keep your eye open to the Maine's Inland/Fisheries website they will let you know when. http://www.state.me.us/ifw/index.html

Don't pick the upper part of Maine when you do apply. It has been hunted the hardest. Downeast Maine is the newest section and there is plenty of moose there also.

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Two more good websites: http://www.vt.fishandwildlife.com & http://www.wildlife.state.nh.us. These and the Maine website have good information on our moose which are, I believe, the Eastern Canadian species. You can also buy a pretty good informational video from the Maine Inland Fisheries & Wildlife on line store for about $10.00.

I saw some Shiras moose when I was in Montana in 1992. Ironically, that was the year my home state of VT first opened a very limited modern moose season in some of the northernmost counties. Little did I think I'd ever be able to hunt them in my home zone 'P' which touches the MA state line. In 2002, they opened Zone P for the first time and I was lucky enough to draw one of the 10-permits issued for the zone that year. One guy got the VT state record (65" spread) in the town of Woodford in zone P that year. My son and I were fortunate to call in and bag a 61" bull in our home town of Stamford which is the next town south.

Since then they've steadily raised the permits issued in most zones. The most moose are found in the north so the most permits are given out there. They've also increased permits in the south (Zone P is up to thirty). 10% of the permits in each zone are allocated for non-residents (i.e. 3 permits for Zone P). Your chances of drawing a permit are smaller in the south but if you get one you should be able to have a good hunt. I'd swear it's easier to find moose sign than deer sign in my home area lately.

To the last of my knowledge, it costs $25 for a non-resident to apply in VT. If you're drawn the permit will cost you another $250 or so. Maine and NH give preference points for the years that you are not drawn that are supposed to give you an advantage in subsequent years.

Good luck!

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Hey dougw, thanks for the info. I now have some solids leads to check out between now and application time in 07.
I didn't realize those moose had such spreads, from the ones I'd seen(mostly from Nova Scotia, Newfoundland) I thought the big ones were in the high 40"to low 50" class. To know there are 60"+animals is a bonus .

Next question: how much public or public accessible hunting ground is there in your zone P, versus other areas back there

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I don't have specific acreage but the whole Green Mountain National Forest is open to hunting and runs north from the MA line through most of the state. There's also alot of wildlife management areas and state parks scattered throughout the state. The northern part of the state, especially the 'Northeast Kingdom (Caledonia & Essex Counties) are the least populated areas. My understanding is that there're some large paper company holdings you can get permission to hunt on up there.

Get yourself a DeLorme Atlas & Gazateer for the states you're interested in. They're about $18-apiece but extremely helpful. I use them a lot myself.

DeLorme, P.O. Box 298, Freeport, ME 04032 (207)865-4171
http://www.delorme.com

VT Fish & Wildlife also puts out some good brochures on areas open to hunting. A friend who drew a permit up north awhile back said the locals are supportive of moose hunting because the critters cause a lot of damage & car accidents. You probably would have little trouble getting the o.k. to hunt a lot of private land as well.

By the way, VT has been putting up several permits for auction to raise money for Fish & Wildlife. It's pretty pricey but it is an option. Best of luck!

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Northeast moose

Looking at pictures posted on different game and fish sites, all the moose on them have come out of the bush whole.
How are they getting them out or are they shooting them by the road Think
I have been involved in 15 or so moose kills and only two ever came out whole, ones that were only 100yds or so from where we could drive to and we hooked a winchline, rope and chains and drug out, the rest were quartered and packed out on our horses or mules.

The info you've sent is helpful, I have been looking at the web sites of Maine, Vermont and NH pretty interesting how the departments operate there versus in Wyoming and Idaho
Thanks

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Getting the moose out is a HUGE problem. VT will let you cut them up and bring them out in pieces. That's how we got ours out but it's also why we don't have an official weight. Sometimes you can find find people with draft horses or logging skidders that will help you for a fee. If you can get permission of the landowner you can get a couple of guys with atv's; this is a BIG no-no in the national forest. The designated 'wilderness areas' are even more restrictive.

Still, as much work as a VT moose hunt can be, it's worth the effort.

Hope you have a great 2006 season and draw that moose permit in '07.

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The Maine Moose is the Eastern Canadian moose.(alces alces americana)

There are six moose subspecies:

* Alces alces alces, the European elk, which ranges through northern Europe.
* Alces alces americana, the eastern moose, which is found in eastern Canada and north-eastern US.
* Alces alces gigas, the Alaskan moose, mainly found in Alaska and Canada's Yukon.
* Alces alces shirasi, the Shiras moose, limited to southern Canada and northern US,
* Alces alces andersoni, Western Canada's Manitoba moose, which also ranges through parts of the northern US.
* Alces alces cameloides, the Siberian moose, which is confined to eastern Siberia, Mongolia and Manchuria.

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Hammer1 wrote:
The Maine Moose is the Eastern Canadian moose.(alces alces americana) There are six moose subspecies: * Alces alces alces, the European elk, which ranges through northern Europe. * Alces alces americana, the eastern moose, which is found in eastern Canada and north-eastern US. * Alces alces gigas, the Alaskan moose, mainly found in Alaska and Canada's Yukon. * Alces alces shirasi, the Shiras moose, limited to southern Canada and northern US, * Alces alces andersoni, Western Canada's Manitoba moose, which also ranges through parts of the northern US. * Alces alces cameloides, the Siberian moose, which is confined to eastern Siberia, Mongolia and Manchuria.

 

Now THAT would be a grand slam to shoot for :)  Can you imagine bagging at least one of every moose subspecies? Sort of makes you breath fast just thinking about it doesn't it?

Oh to dream BIG!

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But, He wrote that almost 5

lol But, He wrote that almost 5 years ago, so better check as some might be extinct now, after all that time...LOL.

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that would be sad!

that would be sad!

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