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North Korea/South Korea

Boy, this thing is gonna blow up, and let's hope not literally.  The South is vowing "enourmous retaliation" for the attack.  Wonder who will step in between them.

As least so far our Pres. has said were firmly stand in defense of S. Korea.

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2010/11/23/skorea-nkorea-fires-artillery-island/

 

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I saw this on the news this

I saw this on the news this morning and belive me, it scares me.  N. Korea is not stable and they really have nothing to lose by continuing their aggression toward S. Korea.  I have mixed feelings about this.  I understand that S. Korea is our ally and we have troops there, but I ask myself, why does the US has to be the country that is always in the middle of conflicts like this?

N. Korea alone does not concern me, but I am uncertain where China would be if we entered a war with N. Korea. This definitely has the potential to blow up and ruin my day!

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I honestly do not fear China,

I honestly do not fear China, just like I do not fear the Russians.  I believe all of us are well aware of each others' capabilities, and know what would happen if war occurred between us.  However, it is little rogue states like this that I fear.  N. Korea, Iran, etc.  Add Venezuela to that list if Chavez isn't stopped soon.

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Do we have to worry about

Do we have to worry about Russia attacking us today?  Nah, but what happens when we are stretched in the middle east fighting two wars and then get drawn into a war with N. Korea and Russia senses weakness on our part?  Remember this is a country that just recently invaded another country - Georgia (I think some southern boys are still looking for those Rooskies that invaded).

China is a wild card.  Yes, on one hand you'd think they'd be crazy to attack us when they are winning the economic war, but there is a culture there that might think why not?

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Nah, I still don't buy that. 

Nah, I still don't buy that.  Even if they sensed a "weakness" on our part, they would never try it.  Even though I loved the movie, there will never be a "Red Dawn" type of war here.  As long as there is someone, somewhere, with their fingers on the buttons of the nuclear arsenal, Russia and the United States will keep clear of each other.  China too. We all know we would be signing our own death warant.

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I hope you are right and I am

I hope you are right and I am wrong.  The mutual destruction is a good deterrent and that is why I worry about the treaty that Obama agreed to.  I don't know all the details on it, but the news media suggests that Russia doesn't make the same concessions as we do.

 

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This sums up how I

This sums up how I feel.....

The art of war teaches us not to rely on the likelihood of the enemy's not coming, but on our own readiness to receive him; not on the chance of his not attacking, but rather on the fact that we have made our position unassailable. - Sun Tzu

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consider

Considering that the USA is the only country in the world to have ever use weapons of mass destruction on an empire who deliberately attacked us, considering that the main reason for the Korean war cease fire was in part because we threatened to use the A bomb on them, considering that the USA was succesfull in decimating a regime who had the 3rd largest army in the world and we did it in a matter of days to Saddam.  If I were the leader of N Korea or China I'd be very careful not to cross the line or test the USA.  I never feared Russia and I sure don't fear China or N Korea either.  But we may need to lay off the Taliban and Al Quida for a few years to take care of business if bad goes to worse with N Korea.  Maybe if anything good comes out of it without conflict, it will be that Obama and most bleeding heart modern Americans will finally see the priceless value in maintaining a nuclear arsenal and polishing our image as being the biggest toughest kid on the block.  si vis pacem para bellum!!

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It is one thing to not fear

It is one thing to not fear an enemy, it is another thing to underestimate their desire for power and what that desire will drive them to do.

When Sadaam invaded Kuwait was that a rational act?  Did he really think that the world would sit by and let him do it?  Did his arrogance and desire for power overtake his ability to rationally analyze the situation?

Are the actions of N. Korea rational?  They have repeatedly attacked S. Korea and killed S. Koreans.  Is this rational?  So, if we can agree that they are not rational, then isn't it possible that they would do something stupid like attack the US?

Was Japan's actions on December 7th rational?  We had previously defeated Germany in WWI and had not entered the fray when they attacked us. 

My point is not to underestimate the irrational behavior of our enemies and to know who they are.  Russia and China are not allies.  This has nothing to do with fear.

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When i say that I don't fear

When i say that I don't fear them, it's not that I don't fear Russia's or China's military ability or anything like that.  I just firmly believe that they are not stupid enough to start a war with another nuclear power.  What I do "fear" is a rogue state like N. Korea or Iran doing something.

I have wondered for some time what would happen if Iran dropped a nuke on Israel.  not a pleasant thought, but I wonder where the chips would fall.

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a sea of glass

Ca_Vermonster wrote:

When i say that I don't fear them, it's not that I don't fear Russia's or China's military ability or anything like that.  I just firmly believe that they are not stupid enough to start a war with another nuclear power.  What I do "fear" is a rogue state like N. Korea or Iran doing something.

I have wondered for some time what would happen if Iran dropped a nuke on Israel.  not a pleasant thought, but I wonder where the chips would fall.

Nope it's not a pleasant thought at all, but I believe that if it were not for the US holding back the hand of Israel, they wouldn't wait for Iran to strike first.  Egypt to Iran and Syria to Saudi Arabia would be one big sheet of glass with Israel standing alone in the middle.  The result of thermonuclear temperatures melting all that sand in the middle east. If you ask me Israel has had to tolerate way too much from the Muslim world, all because we hold back their hand everytime.  Then again, that's not to say that Israel hasn't brought some of it upon themselves too. I do believe that if it wasn't for us, those SCUDD missle attacks on Israel from Iraq during Desert Storm could have been the very last thing Iraq ever did, permanently.

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