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Ferguson wrote:
You could be understood saying that hunting is for only the rich? Kinda like in Old Germany, India or England? Where the elite have the right to the game.

Thats not what I'm saying. I am very much against making hunting a rich mans game. The only reason I started on that track is because someone from my own state complained in this thread about ths cost of RESIDENT tags. He was making the point that because tag numbers have decreased so much that our resident tags are the most expensive in the west.

I don't know if is really true or not but I was trying to respond to his post asking how he could not welcome those changes. I was also trying to say that $35 is not an expensive tag and WELL worth not having so many hunters in the field after our hurting mule deer. I have to agree that once a cost goes so high then it does become a rich mans game, I just don't think $35 is anywhere near that plateau.

Again I know this was off topic of the original post. Sorry about that guys and gals. I've always hunted in my own state so I really don't have much to add to the non-res discussion.

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One thing leads to another. You didn't get off where this topic is headed.
Residents deserve the first choice and say so in their state,,I agree,,,,,,BUT,,,,,To catagorically say Non Residents No More is cutting off a valuable tool in management of a resource. There is and should be a place for NR hunters. To ban any type of hunter or hunting is depremental to the sport.

The one thing the people of some states did that hurt the hunting sport is they passed an Outfitter Law. That made it a commercial sport with a monopoly on areas and the sport. It has and had nothing to do with management. It was all money and greed. They may call it safety but in very few cases it would ever help. Maybe in Alaska "Maybe" The bad part of it, I heard Hank JR was a big part in starting all this crap.

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Colorado 5 year season structure/ No changes

Check out this link: http://wildlife.state.co.us/hunt/BigGame/fiveyearstructure.asp Click on Draft policy dated 3-26-04. It says basically that there probably won't be any substantial changes for the next 5 year period.

No changes in limitation of nonresdients (I was very surprised) are being proposed. I was sure that they would reduce NR numbers at least for the hard to draw units, but I guess not.

I think the main reason that no reductions are coming is that the initiative to raise resident prices was shot down by the legislature, even though it was widely supported by Colorado sportsmans groups. Since there will be no increase in revenue from residents, they didn't think they could lower NR hunter numbers and still make ends meet. Probably a purely ecomomic decision.

I had hoped that they would increase the number of draw units for elk, but they only promise to think about increasing them after talking to local interests.

So, after all the talk and meetings, doesn't look like much will change.

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Location: Powderhorn, Colorado
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tx hunter,
you are correct. they are proposing no drastic changes on NR hunters. Maybe they read this post . Anyway this is very good news.
Usually they will make a unit a draw after all the dust has settled from the meetings, around August of every year.
The five year plan is just that...a plan. I have seen them change it down the road many times during the five year tenor. This is especially true when they want to make a game management unit a total draw unit. Actually this makes for better hunting in the long run.

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At least there are a few folks that have a little common sense out there. Management takes money! Government and people don't like to spend it if they don't have to. So you have Non Resident hunting. Hike their prices. Let them pay for it. That's fine. I can't say I don't agree. I don't like paying more than I have to but,,,,that's the way life is.
There is a group of hunters that will always want to travel and hunt in other states. That's life too. Why not get their money? That what I was trying to say earlier. If the legislature and the public didn't want NR and wanted to spend more money to keep management,,,,they sure didn't show it there! Now there is a hand full of powerful people out there that will try for the outfitter law to capitalize on this. Just give them time.
It's nice to see somebody in Colorado is thinking about the future of hunting!
A body should never say never.,,,,,,,,I will say this though,,,,I still have no plans on spending a dime in Colorado! Wink

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This post is going to be slightly off topic, but I'm getting just a bit annoyed with Ferguson slamming Colorado in nearly every post. How would you like it if I or someone else on this board repeatedly categorized ALL of Missouri with some insult, and they just absolutely would not or should not step foot in Missouri - ever, let alone spend a dime there!

Tell me Ferguson have you ever even been to Colorado? Or are you just listening to second hand gossip?

Just remember we're all proud of our home states (and should be) and no one appreciates being repeatedly put down.

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Yes mam! "if you are a mam" I was there many years ago. For the record Colorado is a magnificant state. It has more to offer than most other states. I understand why you are proud of your state. I have several friends that travel to Colorado annually to hunt. My wife lived there and my step daughter was born there.
Now,,,,,,,I don't like your politics. From my stand point your power is in the bunny huggers hands as is Kalifornia's. My opinion is that Kalifornia first then Colorado is second in the extremists of bunny huggers. Legislation of your two states is used as tools to take away privliges of sportsmen in other states. It seems they all use your laws as examples to how things "could be" That is why I am so negative about Colorado!

I told you before there is good people in "your state" I imagine you are one of them. I don't know? But,,,, as a whole,,,,,I won't ,,,,,no,,,,"don't plan" on ever visiting "your state" again. If I could come visit and enjoy your great state without supporting your government,,,,,I would be the first at the line.
And YES,,,,I am proud of my state too. I would defend it as you are yours. Luckily,,,,I have an easy state to defend. "so far"

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Cowgal,
I've waited as long as I can tonight for your reply. Turkey season opens in the morning and I have get up early to beat the NonResident hunters from Pennsylvania to my spot. They pay a lot of money for their tags which helps support the MDC which are the ones who stocked the turkeys when uncontrolled market hunting made them dissappear in the first place. And,,,if they are there before I am,,,,,,I'll move on down the ridge and find another "with a smile on my face". I know of several good spots.

Have a nice evening Wink

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Ferguson, good luck with your turkey hunt!

Its obvious I can't convince you that Colorado isn't all that bad. If you dig enough, there's garbage we could dig up on almost any state. You have to remember that most of the folks that live in Colorado right now aren't even natives of this state, they came from many other places - including Missouri, and make up the voting population.

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Well the boy and I went this morning. A jake walked right by him and he never seent it. I was setting behind him about 50 or 60 yards. When the Jake got to my side I shot. He was suprised to say the least. Why he never seen it I don't know. In the morning he will get another chance though. "At the biggun!"

I agree with everything you said in your reply. Wink

That is the case in almost every state. The cities are growing and when people want to get away from it, they move to "our" places. The county I live in is where I was born and rasied. I used to know everybody that lives here. I went to work away from here and have been gone for 16 yrs. Now when I go to the coffee shop and restaurant there are very few people with roots here and that I know. The price of land has went high because of the remoteness and low cost of living of this area of the state. Just like your state and other western states. I am of the same thinking I must admit. I am planning on buying a place in North West Montana to spend my retirement years at. I'm sure they are thinking the same I as think when I see someone move here for the same reason. eye roll
It's just life. We just as well accept it because it will only get worse. As much as some of would like to, we can never go back in time to the times we remember and cherish. :(

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