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Location: Idaho
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Yes, Nr are a big contributor of funds to f&g but controlled hunts are not set up to favor NR
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Never said they were set up in their favor.
What I said was it is said when game management goes from managing for the benefit of game to managing for the benefits of NR hunters.
IE purposely managing for the propose of producing trophy size animals to draw/ bring in, the NR hunters
Idaho is a great state and times are changing the F&G do have some very good ideas coming up but only time will tell if they will ever be implemented.

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Location: St. Paul, MN
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Captchee- to answer your question from the earlier post, no I am not happy to take a cow or a smaller bull if I am going to pay a lot for the tag. Strictly the big boys...even if I go home empty. May sound strange but thats how I feel. If the price were lower, I would definitely take a small bull or a cow as it is not so much about the money at that point. I deer hunt in the Black Hills of SD when I draw and will take a smaller buck because the tag is ony $150. I can live with that. If I am going to pay $500 or more for an Elk tag it will have to take a nice bull for me to pull the trigger.

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Location: Colorado
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The problem is, you seem to be assuming that whenever a wildlife dept. manages any part of the herd for trophy animals, they are doing that solely to attract NR hunters. That is simply not true. Here in Colorado there are a LOT of local hunters who ALSO want to be able to take trophy bulls and it is THEIR desires that is driving the DOW to manage the herd the way they do, not the NRs.

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Location: Powderhorn, Colorado
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This is absolutely true. The colorado resident does not want any non-residents. they want it all for themselves.

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Location: Colorado
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The colorado resident does not want any non-residents.

I don't think that is true, I think it is a minority that squacks loud and gets active. Like in a lot of things in politics, a small active group can overule a mostly ambivalent majority. I think the average CO resident could care less about NR participation in general, and slightly more care about it in high demand units and species.

Look at the original links, they got 1200 response, with only 700 or so of those strongly for NR reduction. This isn't even a stastically significant sampling of resident hunters, let alone the filtering effect by only listening to those that write in. The only ones that write in are those that have an axe to grind. If the DOW wanted real data on resident hunter sediment it should have included a mandatory survey with a end of year game report. Thereby getting the opinion of those that aren't going to take the time to write in otherwise.

It is dumb to make policy based on this kind of input process. Policy should be made on game management objectives. When biologists try to do politics they fail.

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Location: Powderhorn, Colorado
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"It is dumb to make policy based on this kind of input process. Policy should be made on game management objectives. When biologists try to do politics they fail".

Yes, this is true, but, if the game management objectives are not subject to difference in the out come, the D.O.W. will go with the loudest voice. I had a game biologist, who worked for the D.O.W., say at a meeting one time, this is a social issue, not a management issue, so the outcome doesn't matter to them, even if it is a bunch of anti-hunters who have the loudest voice at a peculiar meeting or staw poll tally.

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Location: Powderhorn, Colorado
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sometime in the month of May, they will give a recommendation of what they have decided as far as NR's licenses in Colorado go.

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Location: Missouri
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Well this is all good and well. The fact is I drive past Colorado to hunt because of the bunny hugger status of your state. You all want to be a good hunting state but the voters vote against it. I don't even cross your state line so I don't have to pay gas tax to your government or spend a dime in your economy. Keep on and you'll have it all to your self. That's fine for me. I do not take any supplies with me and buy them all in Wy and Montana. I will tell you this. Montana is appreciative of nonresident hunters because of the money they spend. Let's see,,,I rent a cabin for 2 weeks and purchase groceries, fuel and even visit the local stores and dinning and drinking estabilishments. Over all there are 3 of us and we spend around $2000 each in a small NW montana city that the bunny huggers have all but shut down the local economy with their lawsuits on timber and grizzley ideas. The local people go out of their way to make our trip enjoyable and specail to we'll sure be coming back. You Colorado folks can have your state and the bunny huggers. You all don't have better hunting just closer. I guess you all can run your wildlife agencies with Ski and specail enterest money.

Enjoy your future!

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Location: Powderhorn, Colorado
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I don't know who p***** in your coffee, but I kind of agree with your thoughts to a cetain degree. Too bad you have not met a real "Coloradan"

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Location: Missouri
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There was an Ol'Boy that sold his farm in Colorado and bought 700 acres or so here in Missouri. I ended up buying 80 acres off that place and got to know him pretty good. I also watch what's going on in other states as far as legislation goes. I'm also a member of the trappers association. I see so much negative stuff about Colorado. It's almost like the have the market cornered on bunny huggers.
I know there are good people in Colorado. I just don't like any of their poltics. They kinda lead the way for animal rights activists to get a hold in other states. Along with Kalifornia I guess. The only way I know to deal with it is be vocal and not contribute to anything that will benifit them. I know you all have the most elk in any of the states but as far as I'm concerned you'll keep them all to yourself. They can naturally die off with some kind of desease. They won't get a dime of my money to support them until the attitude changes. Don't take it personal. You just live in an enviroment I don't care to visit or support.

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