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Do you guys know anything about Whisper Creek? A dealere just came to town and wanted to go check them out. Would like to get some advice from an unbiased source before I go hear their hoopla about how great it is.

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well hat....Something aint right in denmark where you fellas hunt cuzz If a Deer is spooked up enough to be ALREADY tenced up and ready to bolt then you havnt done your job right as far as staying silent and scent control. I in the 40+ years of hunting have had 2 deer jump string and they were BOTH stupid ass shots taken at 38 and 42 yards. Plus here is something else for you to chew on....Stand downrange and listen to an arrow fired.....I dont care HOW quiet ya bow is...That deer is gonna hear that arrow heading his/her way. If you are having a prob with deer jumping your string at 10 yards then you seriously may wanna check out your hunting sites (I.E. pressure on the deer, scent control, quietness) because them deer are already on the verge of STROKES!!! Now you do sound like you know what yer doing with a bow...but are you practicing shooting out of a Stand Hat?? And taking into concideration of the down angle shot?? Cuzz when you shoot from above 10 or so feet you need to aim lower at the same yardage. Im sure you know that but SOMETIMES when people have a nice deer under them they tend to forget that lil diddy there and think to themselves WOW that deer just jumped ma string when in reality the aimed 4 inches higher than what they should have. Now with my Patriot EVERY shot I have taken onna deer below 15 yards that deer was already passed through before it even flinched. You can get all mathmatical and elaborate all you want but the proof is in the pudding...do ya homework and dont get the deer on alert and you (most of the time) wont have to worry about string jumping deer!!! Its that simple

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Funny how in the face of fact people always seem to go slap stick.

Skittish deer yep they sure are. They are hunted longer here than any other state in the nation and with firearms from day one. Yes I would say they are a wee bit high strung. These arent suburban pet deer they are hard hunted dog run deer and yes I have seen many a yankee hunter exclaim that deer was so skittish I have never seen deer like that. They get that way when half of their lives they get shot at everytime they break cover.

If you have little to no experience with string jumping, than by all means explain to me why I should listen to your thoughts on it? I have set up hundreds of successful bowstands and put dozen supon dozens of hunters on bowkill whitetails. Please dont insinuate I dont know how to manage pressure and get an honest to goodness crack at a whitetail with a bow. You dont even have a clue as to my experience with killing whitetails with a bow and I doubt very very seriously in your 40 years youve tugged on half as many drags ropes as myself.

Not saying by any means that your expereince isnt viable but if your experience is two deer deep please refrain from proclaiming it the standard to meaure by.

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OK, gentlemen. Let's get back on the topic.

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LOL.....Ok Hat as for My experiance I was born and Raised in the Hills of Tennessee... And I would guestimate that In all my years of hunting I have pulled well more than 100 deer drags there mate and 80% of them were with a Bow. I grew up with a hand made Long recurve that my Great grandpap made for me and used it for close to 30 years before the riser finaly started creaking a lil so I retired her....Friend got me into compound and I never looked back. Been in the woods huntin them ole wiley whitetails since I was on the knee high side of 8 so yeah I would say I have a weeeee little bit of knowhow. Now if I had known Ya'll had rifle from opening day and not an early archery season then I would have known why ya deer are so dern skiddish so I WAS CORRECT in my assumption that they were bout to have a stroke already. And as far as the YANKEE comment....I just LIVE up here in the north at the moment for work reasons......Feel glad that wasnt said to me in person there hat cuzz in Tennessee thems KILLIN words...LoL J/K Lawd have MERCY on callin a hillbilly a YANKEE sheesh...Now Back to the Subject at hand....pwglp....Let us know how it went at the proshop der bud and what was wrong with tha Browning... And Most good luck on ya Archery experiances this year and tha rest

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Yes sir the five month long gun season doesnt help matters at all. Nor does the fact that most of the hunting that goes on here centers around a bait pile which puts deer on edge to begin with. As a bowhunter here for the last decade I have seen alot of string jumping incidents and can tell you that at my fastest hunting rig 286 fps I spined five for five under twenty yards one year. However the other 13 deer I took with the bow that season were in northern woods and they all took the arrow like they never heard it coming. I derrived from that it was all about the deers alertness more than how quiet or fast my rig was.

I second your statement of the deer hearing any bow . Quiet shooting is almost a ridiculous goal cause as you say a deer will hear any bow string drop. I have a whisper quiet recurve and got jumped with it last year. It really seems to all depend on the deers current alertness more than the bow if you ask me. Bottom line, they can make giant adjustments in body position incredibly fast and if your thinking you got em covered with speed, you just aint met the right deer yet. I met him again the other night and he schooled that arrow like it was not even an issue. Talk about losing confidence in your equipment, what good is a bow that a deer can jump out of the way of??LOL

Anyhow sounds to me like we both have a good bit of pulling experience. In my hey day as a guide I drug 100 a year, thank goodness I am not tugging that much anymore. Didnt mean to imply your experience was not worthy or real, I am sure under the conditions you hunt you have a volume of experience.

Hopefully some of this hard won experience from both of us will help him make a decision of whether to try and fix his rig or go to a new one. I just thought it important to state boths sides of the fence here. Speed and quiet isnt always the sure all cure its promoted to be. Definately helps, but I got to be honest I have seen more than once where it failed as well.

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Ya know...I got to thinking about it and closed my eyes and tried to picture every Bow kill Ive made over the years (a feat in itself after 45 TRUST me) And It got me to thinking how I have avoided string jumping (sept them 2 which got me all PO'ed at maself again for taking such STUPID shots) I think something my old great grandpap told me Long ago when I was little stuck with me, He said sonny if you see that ole buck (or doe cuzz I aint picky and horns dont even make good soup) is all skiddished up then you aim 3 inches lower than you normaly would even when your in a stand I.E. If I normally aim 4 below on a non alert deer like I would with a loud bow then aim 3 lower than that on one thats spooked all to hell.. I guess it just became instinct with me. Lemmi give you a lil background on me. My great GP was Full blooded Cherokee Indian and made his living hunting and trapping and he is the one along with my dad that had me in the woods from the time I was 4 learning how to track..find bedding and trails and all the fun stuff ya do before ya go hunting. He is also the one to build me my first bow which I grew into LITERALLY. Hunting in Tn Up in the mountains is relativly pressured but not TOO bad (sept on the game lands like catoosa where all the idiots and drunks hunt so I stayed away from there) But My experiance isnt limited to Just Tn ... I have had the pleasure of hunting every North American Big game animal, except Moose cuzz I have YET to get a tag drawn and Ill be HANGED before Ill pay 10,000 to go kill a dern animal, and been highly successful (lucky) to fill the bill on them all. Oh and Grizzlie...Dont eat it so why Kill it. Anywho I moved to Pa bout 8 or 9 years ago and thats when I got into compound. Dont know if you know this or not but Pa is one of the MOST active Archery states in the nation and talk about HARD HUNTED DEER. Lawdy Them suckers are having strokes in the SUMMER hehehe course thats not everywhere in Pa But where I was it was pretty rough. So yeah Ive ran into a buncha spooky deer. Guess Its just a natural instinct with me er something to compensate for them fast bugers. I do know My first speed bow GREATLY helped but it wasnt all the bow nor is ANY bow shot. Confidence is one of the key factors with bow hunting (as far as the shot itself) and my dad always said I was the cockiest S.O.B.'s he'd ever met Laugh so I guess I qualify LoL. Well we aint heard from PW in a bit...hopefully he got that ole Browning of his fixed up and a lil quieter. Lawd knows I aint ever seen a quiet browning so I think He's gonna be in for a surprise, But that metalic clink Im still thinkin is most likely his rest. And DANGIT Im ready to go do some pig huntin. Im runnin outta BACON....caint be a having THAT!!!!!

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Sorry for the long time to respond. I am self employed so I have been really really busy. I have read through this and find the info to be very enlightening. I haven't had a chance to get the bow up there yet so I am still trying to get to that point. I look foward to getting in the woods. I thank all of yall for the input and hopefully remember all of it when it comes time. Big smile

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