I shoot a Browning Bridger. Double cam with current 50 lb draw. I am about to turn it up a little. It has a new string, 2 spider silencers and 2 of the rubber half spheres on the limbs. I use a Cobra release and aluminum arrows. any suggestions would be great.
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Fri, 2006-10-20 19:20
Sun, 2006-10-22 12:20#1
would need some more info about your Bow... as far as what kind of noise you are hearing...does it sound like a metallic clink...or a twang from the string? ALOT of times noise problems can be solved by simply going a little heavier with your arrows. My first guess though is that its a BROWNING They really arent that known for quietness. If you are finatially able Id get maself a BowTech no noise problems with them at ALL. The also have a secondary line called Diamond bows. ALSO a very quiet bow and very fast! The Diamonds are a little cheaper but still IMO a very high quality product. If you cant afford a new bow then first off check all your screws (rest, quiver attatchments, sights) and make sure they are all good and tight. Also if your sights have a light attached to the guard check to make sure its tight as well. Other than that and heavier arrows you have done about all you can do. Good luck
Mon, 2006-10-23 19:51#2
Wife got me the bow for Christmas a couple of years ago. I had it restrung, and gone over very well by a local shop. I also got the arrows at the time I am shooting aluminum arrows with field points to try and get a little better at aim then hit the woods right around Christmas this year. Info on arrows is North american hunter 1916. The sound is more of a metallic twang and it only happens sometimes. other times it is reasonably quiet. I have been told that dual cam bows tend to be a little noisy anyway so I kinda expect it but just a little concerned about getting in the woods with it and spooking a nice buck or something.
Mon, 2006-10-23 20:42#3
Ok next question...do you shoot fingers or with a release aid? Also what kind of rest is it? I was under the impression that it was with every shot...Since it isnt then that is leading me to think that if you have a spring aided rest that your rest may need attention....Also have you paper tuned it? It COULD be that you are tailing down and your arrow is contacting the bow... Have your Timing checked also since it is a dually. If you can and your pro shop has a range have one of the techs go watch you shoot. It could even be a form problem with your release I.E. Dropping at the follow through,,,Elbow fall,,,,All kinds of things...If you are shooting fingers then it could again be the arrow contacting the bow due to slow rolloff. There are MANY things that poor form can screw up when it comes to Compound shooting. Ok just read back and saw you use a release aid so disreguard the finger comments. One thing that helps alot of shooters solve a couple of form problems is a string loop for your release aid. If you get one do NOT get the aluminum kind. Get a STRING. The aluminum ones are noisy as hell and slow ya bow. They really help reduce problems caused by poor anchor form since they take off the torx at hold. I know this is alot of info to take in but Its all VERY useful...Ive taken many deer with bow and enjoy shooting at least 3 times a week to stay in form (im a bit of a perfectionist if ya couldnt tell) Also while practicing if possible practice from a seated position in case that monster kinna sneaks up on you and you cant stand. Try shooting from about every concievable angle as you never know how he is gonna present. Bout the only way I havnt practiced is standing on my head BUT I WILL SOON !!! I have rarely ran into a pro shop that wasnt totally commited to helping out a new archer since that is there livelyhood but you do occationally run into a lazy ass that didnt seem to have the time to be thorough so If ya have to Copy all this info down and take it to the shop WITH YOU and tell him YOU HAVE FRIENDS lol. Good Luck to ya and WELCOME TO ARCHERY. Oh yeah...If you are gonna crank up the weight Id see about a lil heavier arrow. The jury is out on perfect arrow weight to draw weight but All my bows seem to be happy with 8.5 grains per inch at 70 pounds draw with 29.2 inch arrows. Easton had a nice chart for figuring proper arrow sizing but I also shoot carbons not aluminums.. I have One carbon Express CX300 that has so far been through 4 deer...Aint seen an Aluminum that could EVER say that. Carbons are either straight or broke no in betweens and anymore they are just about the same price wise as your good aluminums (if any are good) <----THAT will get a rise outta alot of folks
Tue, 2006-10-24 03:26#4
Paper tuned I have not. I do have a string loop. I was going to let the proshop do the turning up and such. I figured I would have them check it out then to make sure everything was good to go. I will be in the wood by Christmas. I appreciate the advise and will take it all in and hope for the best.
Tue, 2006-10-24 03:28#5
Forgot to mention, I have seen many of the people on here speak of paper tuning. I am not sure as to what that is. Can someone please explain.
Tue, 2006-10-24 05:21#6
Here's a link that may help:
Do a google search for" paper tuning a bow" for more info
Tue, 2006-10-24 05:23#7
I have a Browning Boss Heat with dual cams and the timing is always out of whack ,) Also a very loud bow. I'm planning on buying a new bow after this season
Tue, 2006-10-24 06:43#8
I have owned two browning compounds A Browning Fusion 2 cam and a Browning Tornado single cam. Both were loud bows. The Fusion was an untunable POS that wasnt worth the cost of a replacement string. The Tornado on the other hand was super and I would reccomend that original Tornado to anyone looking for a decent priced entry level to Intermediate bow. It will require every sound dampening device you can add but its a solid bow , that stays in tune and netted me at dozen and a half big game kills. Its ws made by PSE as are all the Browning bows these days.
The Bow Techs are whisper quiet no doubt but I got to tell you I have several friends that shoot them and they are by no means immune from timing problems, and mechanical failures. I have personally withness two of them blow up as well I have seen several Mathews come to pieces. I used to shoot top of the line bows myself and realized a few years ago that in the grande scheme of things only two things mattered. Will it shoot and arrow where I aim it everytime, and is it functional in a deer stand as far as clearance issues go. Theres plenty of solid bows out there that dont come with a non accessorized starting price tag of 700 bucks.
Certainly spending over a grande will get you quiet and thats a big plus as I recently was reminded when I got ducked by an 8 pointer. However, I can assure you that for every deer that I have seen successfully duck an arrow many went down off the same amount of noise from the bow. I believe that in most cases string jumping is more of an issue of deer alertness at the moment of the shot than volume of sound.
Tue, 2006-10-24 09:01#9
You are absolutely correcy hat when it comes to string jumping. As I said previously the Diamond Bows made by BowTech are a good bit cheaper. Now as far as Mechanical failiers I have so far owned 3 BowTechs And I have YET to experiance ANY failiers whatsoever in ANY of them....I on average fire 250 to 300 arrows a week in practice so that says alot for them in itself. Now with MATHEWS different story Them POS fall apart alla time. They MAIN factor that you forgot to mention Hat was CONFIDENCE in your equipment and your capabilities. If you are at 250 feet per second or above and within 30 yards string jumping shouldnt be an issue whatsoever unless that deer is so much on alert even the fleas on its back are ready to jump. Now...your question for paper tuning.... They will be able to help you with that at your pro shop. Paper tuning is taking a sheet of paper and elevating it to your level release point...Put it about 3 feet from the front of your bow and shoot an arrow through it. If you cannot elevate your target for this then lower the paper and shoot from a seated position. You will be able to see from the tears in the paper if your arrow is comming out of your bow correctly. "bullet hole" is what you want. Just a center hole with the fletching tears.....If you see the paper is torn down then you have either a noch point problem or a timing problem same with torn upwards. Left or right tears are generaly fixed with rest adjustment. Simple rule of thumb is to chase the hole. Left tear means move the rest a slight bit to the left vice versa for right. If you are using a TM hunter prong style rest then check the hight of your prongs...that metalic ting you hear COULD be every now and then the Prongs hitting your riser. ALSO with up and down Tears COULD be a Arrow spine problem being too weak a Spine for the draw weight...Im not familiar with the type of arrows you said you had so I dunno the spine on them. Most makes have different spine Numbers to chart so Its a pain in the ass to try to keep up with them all. Good luck and Happy shooting
Tue, 2006-10-24 12:26#10
Heres your confidence in equipment line.....Will it shoot and arrow where I aim it everytime, and is it functional in a deer stand as far as clearance issues go.
I cant say as I have seen one bow type blow up more than the other. I have seen several on both ends fail completely by no fault of the user. Most all my buddies shoot bowtech and two of them have been sent replacement bows in the last year so I hesitate to claim any great victory in manufacturer quality there.BTW I shoot a 300 dollar PSE 250 to 300 times a week it hasnt blown up either.
String jumping or ducking as it should really be called isnt a 30 yard problemIMO. Its a short yardage problem that is much inline with the reaction you might have when you realize theres a rattlesnake six inches from your boot rattling. Your adrenalin takes over and your recoil in an overexagerated and quick fashion. However hear that same snake from 20 yards and your far more likely to stop dead in your tracks and look.
Deer behave in much the same manner. if the offending sound is in close proximity to them they have a massive knee jerk reaction. Has little to do with the speed as to if you will over come this knee jerk. It has far more to do with how the deers weight load is currently distributed and how far he has to drop to load up enough muscle to make a serious move in short order. Put that same deer at 30 yards and he wont drop and inch. The sound is not in his immediate vicinity and his nature tells him to freeze cause thats how his camo works best.
I have known without a doubt for a long time that its far more likely that you will kill a deer thats on edge if you shoot him at 20 yards than at ten. despite the arrow taking twice as long to get there. Its not a matter of speed its a matter of how the deer reacts to the danger at hand. Close and hes turning himself inside out to get gone, far off hes likely to stop and identify the source of danger before bolting.
Far as a deer ducking your arrow if its going better than 260 BS. I watched it happen Sunday eve. That buck had no idea I was there and was intently watching a doe. Now she had seen something she didnt like but had finally given up on it and went to feeding. None the less he was sprung tight as a tick as mature bucks usually are and made quick work of getting out of the way of my arrow.
For ease of figuring lets say he was 10 yards or 30 feet. at an even 250 fps thats roughly 1/8 of a second from string drop to arrow impact time which was obviously enough time for him to clear the arrow that was aimed 14 inches below that. Keeping all that in mind do you really think another 20 fps or even 40 fps is going to make it a dead killer everytime????? I dont think so. At best if your figured it out exponetially you are still hitting at the spine when aiming for the heart. If your shooting for lungs he has the capacity to duck your 290 fps rig anytime the sound offfends him in such a way as to make him feel like immediate flight is the best escape.
Can they do that in real life????? Sure they can and better. Twice last year a friend of mine who can shoot dimes at 40 yards all day long sailed arrows over does backs. He has several dozen deer kills under his belt so I hesitate to say he choked on a meat deer.He was hunting from the ground and the deer were nervous. His bowtech chronoed in hunting rig at 302 fps. Aim point the heart. impact was nothing but air both times. The does ducked 302 at 15 yards out of a whisper quiet BOW TECH!