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When studying Democrats, I like to keep an eye on Europe, because it seems they always put Europe on some sort of pedestal to model.

So it's interesting to see the UK publish a list of people banned from entering the country -- to include radio show host Michael Savage. What's interesting is that he's not being banned for violating any law or committing any act of violence. He's banned because his political views. The UK did the same thing with Dutch politican Geert Wilders recently -- despite an invitation by a member of Parliament, they turned him away because he criticized Islam. Apparently free speech is no longer one of the values the Brits live by.

Orwell referred to this as "thought crime." How interesting that the nation that produced the Magna Carta over 700 years ago is now saying that ideas are a theat to society.

We used to criticize Iron Curtain nations for this stuff.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/16-banned-from-britain-nam...

What's really interesting is to see how many Americans are applauding this in the blog at the San Francisco Gate. Note that it's LIBERALS spewing the hate and calling for limits on speech:

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/nov05election/detail?entry_id=39618

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I guess you pretty much agree with Michael Savages racist viewpoints. Most people actually find racist bigotry objectionable. But you go ahead and carry on, another twenty years and that many more racists will be dead. At least you can't use the N word in public anymore.

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And there it is -- another example of liberal tolerance. And you claim liberals aren't about silencing people? Sure is a lot of hate in that post.

And by the way, you can still use the N word in public -- if you're a rap star.

It's not whether I agree or disagree with Savage's views (although you obviously think that anyone that supports his right to speak does). It's whether I tolerate them, because the cost of free speech is having to endure offense from time to time. It would seem I'm far more tolerant of free thought than you are.

You speak of progress made by removing words from the lexicon. What's next in your world? Removing offensive books from shelves? Do you have any idea how many times the "N word" is in Huckleberry Finn or Uncle Tom's Cabin? Abraham Lincoln used the N word -- was he a hate-filled racist? Should we brand his writings "hate speech"?

You ought to be ashamed, because you clearly don't understand what this country is about. It's about protecting the rights to ALL people -- not just the rights of those who share your views. And our justice system is based on punishing actions, not ideas.

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Maybe it's just a coincidence but all your OPs seem about race lately, got issues do you?

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Pogo doesn't understand. He and the rest of the dems would like nothing better than to shut up all opposition. By passing laws that ban "hate speech" they can quickly label all dissent as hate speech.

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Maybe it's just a coincidence but all your OPs seem about race lately, got issues do you?

How do you figure that? Are you that desperate to try to divert this discussion away from your intolerance?

You're the one that's race baiting here, not me. You're also the one that's talking about dead racists and spending your time on this forum arguing in favor of limits on free speech and thought.

Let me cut to the chase here -- do you condone a government imposing limits on travel for individuals who express politically incorrect opinions?

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do you condone a government imposing limits on travel for individuals who express politically incorrect opinions?

We've been asking similar questions regarding free speech now in a couple of threads. He cannot answer expat because the answer is yes. He does. The left wants free speech only for those with whom they agree. Why do you think he hates talk radio so much and labels anything he doesnt agree with as hate speech? If he gives you an honest answer he'll be shown up for what he is. If he doesnt then he can't call everything he doesnt like hate speech. So he skirts the issues and dodges and deflects like a running back in the big game. Honest answers are a lose lose situation for him and he knows it.

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I answer, you can't read.

I advocate society banning hate speach by popular disgust. No need for laws we just laugh.

Expatriate I don't know but I assume you are a Republican, Republicans have a long and sordid history of racist hate bating starting at least with the "southern strategy" and continuing on with where Reagan started his campaign, the welfare mom story, Bush the dad's Willie Horton ads, Rush, Gingrich,so on and so forth. Unless someone tells me otherwise I'd just assume all Republicans are racists, how could one stay in a racist party otherwise? You seem very interested.

Just sayin, If I were a republican I'd be shy of bringing up any topic regarding race.

Oh and abour racist travel. Too bad. Other countries have laws, you don't like them don't go. Our laws end at our borders.

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Republicans have a long and sordid history of racist hate bating starting at least with the "southern strategy" and continuing on with where Reagan started his campaign, the welfare mom story, Bush the dad's Willie Horton ads, Rush, Gingrich,so on and so forth.

Historically the exact opposite is true. While the Democrats cater to the minority vote it has been us conservatives who have traditionally led the way in civil rights. Remember the emancipation proclamation? Freeing of the slaves? Lincoln was a republican. Remember the civil rights act in the 60's? It was southern dems who blocked it and attempted to keep it blocked. George Wallace? The most racist governor in history? Democrat. It's been conservatives all along Civet, you democrats jump on whatever band wagon you feel convenient at the time. You label Reagan and Rush racists because they want people off of welfare and able to stand on their own while the Dems want them to think they are in capable of self determination and be dependent on Government assistance. And were the racists? As usual your ignorance is boundless. The following is a quote from an interview with Frances Rice, a black republican woman and chairmen of the national black republican association:

Frances Rice, chairman of the National Black Republican Association, describes the Democratic Party as the architect of modern day racism.

Rice, a retired Army lieutenant colonel and lawyer, says in an interview it was Republicans who pushed through much of the ground-breaking civil rights legislation in Congress. Now, she says, Republicans stand for empowering blacks to help them out of poverty. In contrast, Rice says, the Democrats push to keep blacks dependent on government handouts and encourage them to see themselves as victims.

“The Democratic Party has built its power base on the backs of poor blacks, and they want to keep blacks poor, angry, and voting for Democrats,” Rice tells Newsmax. “Every election cycle they go into the black community and preach hatred against the Republican Party and get blacks to cast a protest vote against Republicans.”

In Rice’s view, “The Democrats fight every effort of Republicans to get blacks out of poverty because they know that once blacks become prosperous, the Democratic Party will lose its power base.”

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Uh...I hate to be a stickler for detail, but YOU'RE THE ONE THAT BROUGHT UP RACE, POGO -- remember your first post on this thread?

We've had the discussion about race records between the two parties before.

Lincoln was a Republican. Jefferson Davis was a Democrat.

The first black Senator? Hiram Revels of Mississippi -- Republican (1870).

First black elected to the House? Joseph Rainey -- Republican (1870)

Democrat Governor Orval Faubus mobilized the Arkansas National Guard to oppose school integration. Republican President Eisenhower sent in the 101st Airborne and federalized the Arkansas Guard to enforce it.

The only former Klansman serving in Congress? Democrat Richard Byrd.

Remember Bull Connor? The Birmingham Public Safety Commissioner who turned the fire hoses and attack dogs on black protestors in the 60s? Democrat.

You already mentioned Wallace -- another Democrat who did everything he could to oppose integration. His famous quote: "Segregation now; segregation tomorrow; segregation forever!"

And then there's this quote from black abolitionist Frederick Douglass: "I am a Republican, a black, dyed in the wool Republican, and I never intend to belong to any other party than the party of freedom and progress."

I'm proud to discuss race as a Republican, because I'm in good company. I'm honored to share that platform with Lincoln, Revels, Rainey, Eisenhower, and Douglass. Are you willing to do the same with Faubus, Byrd, Connor and Wallace?

And by the way -- nice try taking us down a racism rabbit hole. We're talking about Savage. My question still stands -- are you OK with the powers of government being used to limit the liberty of an otherwise peaceful citizen solely because of his political views? Still waiting on an answer.

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