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New or Old?

I have shot deer with Powerbelts, Sabots, Round Ball (.58) and conicals...I have tried Pellets, APP, BH209, Black Powder, and Pyrodex.

My two cents...

Don't get me wrong... I am interested in the new stuff, but I have almost always been dissapointed. The only exceptions are with 777 powder and Blackwidow Bullets in .58. (with a different rifle, I might like BH209)

I still have not found a load that is really any better than a good old 320 or 370 T/C maxiball and 90 grains of ffg in .50 or 90 gr of ffg behind a .58 round ball. (although I do like the Black Widow bullet, they are hard to come by) and these will be my loads this year. But then again... if something "new" comes out... this old "can't resist" guy will have to try it out. Maybe someday I will really find somethign better.

 

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so what gun are you shooting?

so what gun are you shooting?

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Right now I have the Lyman

Right now I have the Lyman Mustang... I gave my .58 to my son.

My hunting load is the 320 gr T/C Maxi ball with 90 gr of 777.

I am considering going back to a sidelock, but the Lyman is so nice to clean!

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Black powder and a PRB is

Black powder and a PRB is timeless, and still works.

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I like using the 777 powder too.

I like using the 777 powder too and it has not let me down yet. As for a bullet I was using the powerbelt but thinking of using the Hornady FPB. I need to see if my guns like them or not and how they shoot before I switch. I have an in-line and a traditional Hawkings and with 90 grains of 777 and a 295 grain power belt both are very accurate. Have fired some round ball and patch but they do tend to drift a bit from shot to shot especially at 100 yards. Fun to shot but do not think I will ever hunt with them. The new in-lines are good and much easier to use and pretty much a sure shot. However, there is something about the old Hawkins while hunting that is hard to resist even if using a newer type bullet.  

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I really do not like hunting

I really do not like hunting with PRB in .50 cal. Not that I think they are bad, but I do get better accuracy with P/B and conicals. (the 1/28 twist is not a good match for PRB) But with my old .58 I could reach out to 110 yards without a problem. Have you ever hunted with the T/C Maxi ball? I really like the 320 grain and find them to equal the powerbelt with accuracy. And they are MUCH nicer on the pocket book. I really have nothing against the FBP other than they are harder to load, for me, and expensive. But I also did not find the advantage to make me want to replace the Maxi Ball. But I  would not hesitate to send a FBP on a Whitetail. They are a well constructed Bullet.

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Thanks for the info

Have not used the T/C maxi balls but have used Buffalo and a few other brands. With the Colorado laws for hunting, we can only use certian weights due to the length of the bullets and no sabot. Length of bullet cannot be more than twice the diamiter of the bore. That said I need to keep the bullet within the laws so I know when I am zeroed I am good to go for the hunt. The PB have killed plenty of deer for me and my family but just think they break apart to much and looking for something a little better. Have you used the T/C on anything bigger than whitetails? Our ML hunts are for mule deer and elk so need something with good penatration for the elk. Also want to look at the PB premium bullets and see if they will work. Don't want to waste a ton of money but don't want to wound and lose an animal either. Having total confidence in the round will give me better peace of mind. Thanks for the info and will have to look into a few more brands.

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No, I have never used them on

No, I have never used them on anything bigger than Whitetails.  Good Luck!

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We're on the same page, Rev. 

We're on the same page, Rev.  As I posted elsewhere, the T/C Maxiballs have been my favorite for years.  Within sensible muzzle loader ranges I've never had any reason to switch as they have always been accurate , easy to load, effective on game and affordable.  I've only used them on antelope, mule deer and elk but wouldn't hesitate to use them on buffalo if I ever got a tag for one.

If you use your proven load in a side lock rifle, watch out for hang fires.  In two different side locks, I was getting repeated hang fires when using BP substitutes (pyrodex, Pyrodex Select, 777). One hang fire was my excuse for wiffing a shot on a taxidermy sized mule deer at less than 40 yards; my partner sitting next to me at the shot said it seemed like the delay between cap going off and ignition of the powder was almost a half a second.  I was about ready to toss that rifle off a cliff but contacted T/C (it was a T/C Renegade) and the guy I talked to suggested going back to black powder.  In that rifle at his suggestion my hunting load has since then been 105 grains of ffg and a 435 gr Maxiball (it's a .54 caliber); haven't had a hang fire since.

Don't waste any time or powder trying to use BH 209 with the Maxiballs.  The lube used on them turns the powder into soemthing resembling black butter.

One nice thing about using these bullets is watching the next guy at the range bending his ramrod about 40 degress trying to force a wonder bullet wrapped in a plastic sabot down the barrel while you almost effortlessly push your bullet down to the powder. 

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A better option if you want

A better option if you want to use a conical.

 

http://thorbullets.com/