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New Muzzleloader....to me anyways

I have just recently bought a traditions .50 caliber in-line muzzleloader from a friend at work for $150, and I am not sure what model it is. I asked him, and he forgot what model it was. He also told me that he wasnt quite sure where the breech plug and nipple wrench was, so that is why he sold it for $150. He said he had it for about 5 years, until he recently bought one of the new savage muzzleloaders that shoot smokeless powder. What I know about the gun so far is that it is a traditions muzzleloader in-line that uses #11 caps, it is a bolt action, and has a 1:32 twist barrel. He put a Tasco 3X9X40 scope on it that works very good. He said the last time he shot it, he took a deer at over 200 yards with 120 grains of pyrodex and a 177 grain round ball. He told me that I still need to shoot and see it is still accurate because it has sat for over a year. I can't wait to get the breech plug and nipple wrench so I can break it all down and get some nitro solvent to run down the barrel to completely clean the barrel and action out. I can't wait even longer to get it out and sighted in to take it to the field. I need to do it quick because archery season starts thes weekend, but it is supposed too be 90, so we will see how many people are sitting in the woods.

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Congratulations on your new rifle. I just got my first smokepole too, it'll be a while though before I have the chance to try it out - that's ok. I've got all year to break it in for next season.

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jasonkdailey wrote:
He said the last time he shot it, he took a deer at over 200 yards with 120 grains of pyrodex and a 177 grain round ball.

Sounds like BS to me, especially from a gun with a 1:32 twist. This gun should be shooting fairly long conicals or sabots (if they're legal for hunting where you live), not roundballs. I'd also double-check the local laws and make sure that the scope is legal for hunting--they aren't in quite a few states.

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Rule of thumb. The faster the twist. The longer the projectile.
Don't go out and buy a whole bunch of round balls exspecting to be able to shoot, accurately at 200 yds. Try a few out first. I think your going to find that the conicals shoot better.
You should check to make sure that the rifle is legal to hunt with, before you plan on rigging up to hunt with it.

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why would the muzleloader be illegal isnt it harder to kiill with than a normal rilfe?

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WalleyeSlayer wrote:
why would the muzleloader be illegal isnt it harder to kiill with than a normal rilfe?

Generally speaking, yes. For that reason muzzleloadder hunters usually are given more permissive seasons and regulations (usually a longer season, or access to game sanctuaries, access to semi-urban areas etc). However improvements in powders, rifling, bullet design have narrowed the gap dramatically from the original "traditional" muzzleloaders shooting balls or crude rifled bullets to the point that some states and provinces are becoming more specific in what types of muzzleloaders qualify for these benefits. I doubt that any individual muzzleloader is illega per se, however some modern, smokeless inlines, with scopes might only be allowed in the regular rifle season. Check your local regs to be sure.

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thancks the way he said it I didnt understand,he made it sound like he wouldnt be able to use it.

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I meant that sabots might not be legal. I can see where the wording of my sentence could have been better.

Muzzleloader hunting regulations are quite often hugely misunderstood. Here in Colorado it is illegal to use sabots, pelletized powder, scopes, or smokeless powder during the muzzleloader season. Nonetheless, I have seen people out during the muzzleloader season with scoped rifles, and all of the gun shops sell pelletized powder, sabots, and scopes for muzzleloader rifles. When I have specifically asked I have found that about 75% of the time the sales people do not know that what they are selling is illegal to use for hunting.

That is why I constantly stress that anyone who is new to muzzleloader hunting should not rely on what a buddy or some guy at the gun shop told them. They should carefully read the regulations for the area in which they hunt and figure out for themselves what is legal and what is not.

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Re: New Muzzleloader....to me anyways
jasonkdailey wrote:
He said the last time he shot it, he took a deer at over 200 yards with 120 grains of pyrodex and a 177 grain round ball. He told me that I still need to shoot and see it is still accurate because it has sat for over a year.

Sounds like your friend is blowing alot of smoke. I find it hard to believe that he worked up a patched roundball load capable of doing it through that rifle, let alone sat down and shot it enough to be confident with it at that range. I also find it hard to believe he'd lose track of parts and want to sell a rifle capable of the feats he described to you. I sure wouldn't. Also wonder why he thinks it wouldn't be accurate after setting for a year? If it shot like he described when he put it up...it still should. That aside...I hope you do well with it this season. Like DM said...check your regs...alot of states don't allow scopes. Kansas is one of them. During muzzleloading season that is. During regular firearms season them boys can put a scope on those in-lines.

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Sorry, dont believe the round ball story for a second.

Look on the barrel. The model of the gun should be there.

Drop in 2 Triple Seven 50 Grain pellets, a 245 grain Powerbelt Aerotip bullet(if legal there), and go hit what yer aiming at.

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I made a terrible mistake on my post

I asked him last night, and he said he had used the gun and had it sighted in at 70 yards with 120 grains of pyrodex, and he said he took deer at about 200 yards, but he had to aim about 4 1/2 inches above the back of the deer to take it. My mistake, sorry.

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