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New Mexico antelope application question

Okay guys, I'm thinking of applying for antelope in New Mexico but just want to be sure I have this right because of the private land situation.

As long as I apply for one of the any weapon hunts if drawn I WILL be assigned a ranch to hunt?

That's all there is to it?

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antelope in New Mexico

It is my understanding if you are putting in draw for private land tags you have an agreement with a landowner or outfitter for a hunt on a certain ranch, at this point you would apply for the GMU for which that ranch falls into. If you are looking for a DIY hunt you should look to public land units. Hope this helps!

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That's not the way I read the

That's not the way I read the rules they now have in place.  It appears that if you want to hunt a certain ranch that is in the program that you contact the ranch and set things up and then get the permit for the unit they are in.  The ranch can be in the "Ranch Only" program or in a unit wide type of deal the way I read it.  If you want to do the DIY type of unit wide deal then you would be assigned a ranch or hunt the public land is sort of what it appears to say.  The eastiest thing to do is go onto the G&F website and then click on "Hunting".  Then when that page loads, go over to the right side of the page and there is information you can click on to see exactly the way they are doing it now.  It doesn't appear as easy as what was originally posted, but what state is making anything easy nowadays!

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I've been on the website for

I've been on the website for awhile and still looking it over. It says to make arrangements yourself for archery and such but any legal weopon uses the assigned wording. I might have to give them a call to get it straight.

I started looking into this because of a post someone made in another thread about it saying you could draw and hunt the private land on the same property as someone who paid the landowner several thousand dollars.

It would kind of be like wildlife ranching here in Colorado if that was the way it worked.

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Heres the

Heres the link.

http://www.wildlife.state.nm.us/recreation/hunting/documents/2010-11A-PLUSLandownerList.pdf

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The private land isn't necessarily private.

Technically, these are huge grazing leases for ranchers that have full spreads on State of New Mexico property.  Depending on the size of the Ranch, a rancher may get 2 to 4 tags for Antelope and/or Elk for example.  The Outfitters in New Mexico negotiate with the ranchers and buy their tags for big money.  If a rancher does that, they must have a hunter from the draw placed on their ranch for every outfitted/guided hunter. 

Many people own property in New Mexico that has an allotment of tags as well, if they decide to pursue them  Many subdivisions, like the one I own land in, also come with tags owned by the developer or Homeowners Associations.  Whenever you buy these private land tags, you must hunt on that particular property.  There may be a little variance in what I am describing here, but that is basically how it works.

If you are hunting around the VLA area on Route 60, hunters are checked very frequently to make sure they are on the right ranches.  NM Game & Fish has some pretty instense ways of doing surveylance and monitoring this.

Hope that helps a little bit.

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So I was right then if you

So I was right then if you apply for one of these listed and draw you will have a place to hunt? You just have to make sure your in the right place. The only reason I ask about this is I have no idea about public land down there and if I decided to do it I want to make sure I have a place to go without spending a lot of money.

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TopGun go to page 42 of the

TopGun go to page 42 of the New mexico big game and trapper rules and read under public land hunts. Tell me what you think.

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The section, to me, is very

The section, to me, is very poorly written when it comes to public land itself.  I know you can go through the landowner under that system and then get your license for that particular private land hunt.  What puzzles me is that when you read the stuff on the public draw it only says that where there is an astersik for that hunt that you will assigned to a ranch.  It doesn't appear to say anything about being able to hunt public land in that area outside that ranch boundary the way I read it.  At least if you put in and get drawn you are correct in that they put you on a ranch and you WILL hunt!  That is similar to the RFW in Colorado that they used to allow nonresidents to participate in until they pulled the rug out from under us with no warning one year when I had 4PPs for deer and elk.  I'd rather not say anything more on that, other than from that day on I decided not to spend a dime in Colorado!!!

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You really are not missing

You really are not missing anything not being able to put in for the RFW tags here in Colorado.  While there are some good ranches and you don't have any problems hunting them I have heard way too many stories about them sending the non paying hunted out to hunt in some barren ground away from any animals.  That and a lot of their regulation such as check in and check out times are ridiculous.  If you are like me you want to be in your stand way before daylight and with them you are still sitting at the ranch headquarters when the sun comes up. 

I mentioned that I was thinking of doing a RFW hunt for antelope this year to a friend that had done it and by the time that he was done telling me his story about one I decided to go back onto public land. 

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That sounds like the same

That sounds like the same kind of crappola that guys from Utah are talking about on the monstermuleys website about guys who are drawing tags for what I think they call the CWMU private land hunts up there.  They are claiming the tags a lot of them get are for dates that are lousy, they can't bring a person with them, etc., they are told where to go on the ranch and it is the sorrier parts of it, etc.  I imagine some of it is true, but I have no idea how good or bad their system is since it's all hearsay.  I know Colorado was successful in getting us tossed out of the pool because the outfitters were losing a lot of money and now they can charge more nonresidents who want to hunt on those RFW lands with us now being allowed in the public draw pool.

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