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Obviously you are correct on most folks. Some of us just work harder at it than most.

Care to put ya money where ya mouth is Wink

Jeff

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No. I don't feel any need to prove myself to the world.

Fortunately, I am also not responsible for how you conduct yourself in the field.

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Its a shame you don't have a clue about my conduct in the field.

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I know what I've been reading.

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What you read is that the closest deer I've shot is 3 yards with a bow. And the longest shot is 856 yards. One shot kills both. So where does your supposed issue come from?

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My issue is that hunting is NOT supposed to be playing sniper with animals. If you want to do that, go shoot targets, not animals.

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So we are back at square on. You say hunt. What does that mean. Does it include killing? No , but sometimes it does. Do I kill just because I can? No and I hope no one else does. Yet you want to impose your limit of XYZ yards on me because it fits your thoughts.

So why can't I impose this to you? There is not challenge to a 100 yard rifle shot, and you call that hunting? Why not accept the challenge to dump the rifle and pick up a bow? After all skill isn't a rifle shot at 100 yards, its being able to get within 15 yards or less and watch that cedar shaft from the recurve fly to the target.

Sorry, I just can't handle someone out there telling someone they can or can't do this or that. Just because they don't agree with it.

Am I way off the mark?(whats the history behind that statement Big smile )

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If you want a challenge, stay in competitive shooting. Because every young idiot these days thinks they can make super-long shots, landowners are getting sick of cleaning up lost deer, and don't even say its not a problem because its even a problem in this state.

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Oh and I hate to tell you, but I also bowhunt.

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Sure its a problem. The last deer I lost was shot at give or take 50 yards. Thats the first deer I have lost in many years. Maybe close to 20. I didn't like it. Especially after following for 4.5 hours. I still don't like it. But sometimes stuff happens. Strange that I've never lost one that I've shot at past 300 yards. Simply because I'm just too picky on those shots and its either 150% that I'll kill or I'll pass it up.

And I'll make you the wager that more deer are lost by normal slobs than any others. Not the long rangers. Not even the novice ones.

Here are the facts. For one, you stated that a bunch just totally missed your targets. Same way in my hunter ed classes. Most folks that try at 300 or beyond have no clue and usually shoot way over a deer. No harm no foul. Those that continue to want to learn realize it takes more practice and by the time the find out how hard it is initially they limit their shots till they become proficient. I've found more dead deer on leases we hunt on where the guys shoot and say they must have missed because it didn't fall over. Go back and look and the deer is 50-100 yards away. To top all that off most folks shoot badly enough at 100-200 yards to just make bad hits, not miss totally.

I'd wager you that simple odds will tell you most deer that are wounded and or lost are shot at 200 or under. Thats the distance most deer are attempted and it goes with the territory that the most mistakes will be made there also.

BTW since you bowhunt also( and there is no reason to hate to tell me that), whats the legit range there? I actually have a big hangup in bowhunting in TX here since our deer are small and duck so bad normally. At 20 yards and beyond they can so easily be out of the way. I refuse to shoot past 15 yards anymore for that reason. Its something that I actually have NO control over and cannot condone longer shots. Might work on Elk or Muleys but won't work here. Learned this over a long time period. And being that my recurve is slower than my compound, its even more critical. Heck you learn when you shoot at a deer and it turns so fast that you hit it on the opposite side. Once you have no control, ya gotta stop.

Gotta go hit the hay for the evening. Have a great evening, Jeff

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