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I'm thinking of building a new custom hunter. This may seem a little wierd but I'm thinking of building a 6.5 X 284 for long range hunting. Coyotes, antelope, deer, basically anything I can see through the scope will be the intended quarry. What do you all think. the cartridge is a proven long range performer so accuracy isn't a question. You can buy brass from norma or lapua that is stamped 6.5 X 284. so quality brass isn't an issue. I think a Winchester M70 action (because I have one in the closet that needs a new barrel) with a 9 twist lilja barrel is the ticket. Feedback?

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Shato

Not familiar with the twist rates but I've shot a few. I'd say you are good to go, just don't get hung up on light bullets. I'd say 140 and up are in the area. Twist for that and you should be fine.

I was thinking same round. But then found a new round 257 Allen Magnum. Supersonic to 2000 yards. Should be a hoot for deer/lope.

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sounds like it will be a good one,, one of my co-workers built a 6mm-284,, he loves it,, I'm sure the 6.5 will be a good choice too,,

Jeff,,
on that 257,, did you say 2000yds???? was wondering how that's possible,,I'm not calling you a lier,, but that sounds a little bit far fetched.... was just curious

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Its some type of magnum case in 25 caliber with one of the heavy long bullets custom made to a bc of something around .8 or so at pretty stiff MV. Don't recall the figures but 3300-3500 at least IIRC.

Probably a barrel burner too Wink

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6.5 / 284 is an exellent round. 3000 fps at the barrel seems to be the magic number.

Can't even imagine the trajectory or windage of a 25 cal at 2000 yds.

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If you can't imagine the trajectory-- just don't worry about it being a 25 cal. Just look at the BC of .800 and the MV 3300-3500 IIRC. Don't sweat the caliber-- read the real information.

Whats the BC of the 6.5 bullets and then they are only 3000 fps at the most normally.......

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I'm not questioning. I understand long range shooting.
I fail to understand how hunting and 2000yds end up in the same statement.

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Oh, sorry. Hunting means a lot of things to folks. To me it includes prairie dogs etc... Have you read of the folks shooting PDs out to 1500 and 2000 yards. Once you do something like that, it makes real life shots on stuff like deer a chip shot.

Sorry for starting the confusion.

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Oh, sorry. Hunting means a lot of things to folks. To me it includes prairie dogs etc... Have you read of the folks shooting PDs out to 1500 and 2000 yards. Once you do something like that, it makes real life shots on stuff like deer a chip shot.

Sorry for starting the confusion.

Jeff

Damn jeff, I wonder sometimes about you. Do you even believe the crap that you write. Prairie dogs at 1500 yards..... I read an article last year about shooting at prairie dogs at 1000 yards. I think it was in Precision Shooting. These guys where real shooters and they hit one dog in three days. I didn't call BS on the 900 yard caribou though I wanted to, but 1500 yard Dogs I can't resist. uh hum, BULL$HIT.

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Okay, your call. I never said that folks kill them all day long at long range. I've shot no PDs, but a fair share of woodchucks on out to about 1200 yards. Had a good buddy in TN that let us hunt.

BTW the caribou was also witnessed and my spotter was one of my former 4H shooters I'd coached a few years back. Without his help the shot was gonna be a bit harder to say the least. And he made his longest shot at just over 300 yards later in the hunt.

Anyway I do a lot of work to be able to make long shots. My hobby is or more precisely at this point, was, highpower shooting. I hold high master in both across the course and long range. that classification means I'm in the 10 or x ring 97% or more of the time with an iron sighted AR15 from positions of standing, sitting, and prone with only a sling for support at ranges starting at 200 yards and ending at 1000 yards.

Call all the bs you want. I've got a whole wall of certificates, medals, trophies etc.... from putting in the time to be able to poke longer shots. My only regret is that I have to choose between shooting and hunting now and hunting will get all my time and effort for a long time to come. I'll miss Camp Perry and all the national matches....I don't consider myself a "real shooter" like you say.

The part I love though, is if I have to make a longer shot I can. Can do a 300 yard muzzleloader shot if needed. Can shoot a centerfire to about 1000 yards give or take if needed. Haven't shot a bow in years much but used to be able to hit a coke can in the pasture from about 50-60 yards almost all the time with a judo head. I love getting close, but its a joy to have the capabilities to reach out.

And I didn't mention the fun one can have with a 50 bmg round. Only if you have a long range though. They are fun out around a mile or more. My wife even likes to pop a few off with them. My buddy bought one a few years back. Its a shame its gonna force me to spend the money on one sooner or later if they don't get banned too soon.

Final note-- when I started in shooting in 90, I could shoot deer with a scoped rifle. Had never shot one past 300 yards. Had trouble in matches keeping all shots at 300 yards inside an 18 inch circle. Many years and many barrels and bullets have passed since then. 300 yards with iron sights my 22 shot groups average around 1.5 to 2 inches most matches. Give me a scope on the AR and I can almost cut that down to 1-1.5 inches. So I've come a long way. And its proof that anyone that does disciplined practice can do the same. I'm far from a natural shot. You can do this too. You just have to be dedicated to what you chase. Some days I hate the internet. You just can't get across by typing. Suffice it to say I have numerous shooting friends all across the US that don't doubt any of the shots I've made or will make. I'm nothing over here on hunting sights. I am a bit well known on highpower shooting sights. Even having the pleasure to beat the greatest shot of all time G David Tubb at his own game once at our state matches. The largest problem here is folks that can't make a long shot, they tend to think its not possible. Until someone shows them it is. I had a good 22-250 once upon a time. We had a rock the size of a VW appx and could only get about 800-900 yards away from it. I got it zerod off the hood of the truck one afternoon and gave it to 2 deer hunters that could not believe it. A few shots later each had easily hit it. Want to really call some BS? http://www.longrangehunting.com has folks on it that make shots way on out there. Past what my capabilities are at this point. You are well educated in the sport if you read PS. The LRH site will educate folks even more.

want some practice(fake but fun) go to shooterready.com the menu is on the left and its pretty neat. Gives wind flags to read, mildots to range targets and allows you to range, wind dope and shoot. I'm thinking of getting the CD for rainy weekends.

Jeff

Shato-- i've edited this to allow a bit of clarification on the bou. The slope distance was a true 802 yards. But due to the elevation and angle, the shot was much more like a 600 yard shot distance wise. I played with the GPS on elevation after the shot and my guess to use a 600 yard hold was within about 25-50 yards of being right. I did not have a cosine angle indicator on the gun as it was my buddies rifle. That would have allowed it to be more precise. As it was it was close enough.

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Most experienced riflemen will tell you that in spite of absurd message board drivel, only about 1 in 1000 (or fewer), can reliably hit the kill zone on deer-sized game at 400 yards. Just as a sort of experiment at the range about six weeks ago, we had about three dozen people on the range firing rifles from 243 all the way up to 338. We set up large, square-shaped sheets of paper, with circles 10 inches across, the boundaries were made with black electrical tape, the insides were flourescent orange, with a smaller black circle 4 inches across inside the larger circle. We set these up 300 yards out, and all but two of the people participated, shooting from natural hunting positions. A couple of people put two shots out of three in the circle. Most shot to the right or left of the circle. Others missed the paper entirely.

Shots over that distance might just be satisfying to brag about on a message forum, also in the case of an alleged 600-yard shot another member claimed to have taken on a deer, these merely make the person posting them come across as inexperienced and braggart. I strongly question the merit of any of these claims. No one is justified in taking a shot longer than 400 yards on an animal.

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