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Need a new hobby and after going out with a few people, learning the basics, seems like something I would enjoy. My only rifle experience (use and maintenance) is with the semi auto M14 (I’m retired Navy, and up to 1999, that was the standard issue on Destroyers) which I was fairly proficient with. Now for the questions:
1. Is the Springfield Armory M1A a “valid” hunting rifle, or do experienced hunters consider this an “urban commando” weapon?
2. Is the 308 Winchester cartridge too much for deer? Not enough for Elk?
3. In the very off chance a grizzly (North Western Washington) decides I’d make a good snack, will a 308 Winchester bring it down, or piss it off? I understand shot placement, but I also understand shooting under duress at something you aren’t hunting that pops up out of nowhere.

Thanks,
Bill

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welnet wrote:
Need a new hobby and after going out with a few people, learning the basics, seems like something I would enjoy. My only rifle experience (use and maintenance) is with the semi auto M14 (I’m retired Navy, and up to 1999, that was the standard issue on Destroyers) which I was fairly proficient with. Now for the questions:
1. Is the Springfield Armory M1A a “valid” hunting rifle, or do experienced hunters consider this an “urban commando” weapon?
2. Is the 308 Winchester cartridge too much for deer? Not enough for Elk?
3. In the very off chance a grizzly (North Western Washington) decides I’d make a good snack, will a 308 Winchester bring it down, or piss it off? I understand shot placement, but I also understand shooting under duress at something you aren’t hunting that pops up out of nowhere.

Thanks,
Bill

Bill,
The 308 is fine round , its not to much for deer and it is enough for elk within reason but altho a 308 CAN bring down a grizz I for one wouldnt want to have to try it. Ones best defense against bear is learning about bears. Id not worry to much about grizz in washingtoon at all but a can of bear spray and knowledge will beat out a rifle and no knowledge anyday. I was a few years ago, caught between a sow and a cub with only a fence post in my hand and knife on my belt, hows that for hair situation.
As for the M1, its a fine battle rifle but due to its weight Id opt out for a lighter rifle to sling in the brush.

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welcome to BGH Bill.

Romey hit it right in the head! Not much I could add to that. what you might do is go shooting with some friends and try different types of rifles.

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If you're worried about maintaining a rifle I'd suggest a stainless steel and synthetic bolt action . They are very simple to break down for maintnance.

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Same here...

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the 308win is more then enough for elk. There is fashion in having a too large of a caliber, so don't believe all the bs about calibers.

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"Big bullets make for big holes to bleed out of"
Elmer Keith

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Romey wrote:
"Big bullets make for big holes to bleed out of"
Elmer Keith

You prove my point.

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Did i now, well im glad i could do that

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I've used a 30 cal in assorted cartridges all of my hunting years, 30-30, 300 Savage, 30-06, 308, 300wm, 300wsm from the tiny antelope to the huge bodied Roosevelts.
My opinion, the 30 cal excels for hunting the lower 48. Don't exceed the round/bullet range capabilities.
The 308 is capable for any game animal you will encounter in the lower 48 and is my all time favorite. Hard to beat with up to 165 gr cup and core flat base bullets. Can be used with bonded core bullet but, you need to maintain enough energy to allow the bullet to expand. Usually within 200 to 250 yds. Can be used in a relatively light rifle with very tolerable recoil.
Load a bonded core 165 or 180 gr bullet and I wouldn't hesitate to use it in the thick forests of the Northwest for the big Roosevelts. Preferably the 180 gr and hold your shot to under 200 yds. Out to 200 yds will retain enough energy for the bullet to expand properly.
For deer a 150 gr cup and core will do the trick nicely. Hold your shot to 300, 350 yds.
For Black Bear I would use the same load that I chose for The Roosevelt.
Most game animals are taken with shots that are under 150 yds.
As always, go for clean, direct shots.

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From one destroyer sailor (USS DuPont DD-941) to another "Welcome Aboard".

The .308 will certainly do what you want. There has been truck loads of deer & elk killed with one.

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Is the Springfield Armory M1A a “valid” hunting rifle

Yes, if you are willing to hunt with in it's limitations, i.e. iron sights & no scope. I wouldn't worry too much about grizzlies.

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