27 replies [Last post]
Offline
Location: Texas
Joined: 08/13/2009
Posts: 37
NEW TO HUNTING
JTapia wrote:
You"ll need alot more than a big scope to shoot 700-900 yards with a .308.
About the only thing that the .308 will have enough energy left to kill at that range will be Squirrels and Chipmunks.
You aint planning on shooting Alvin are you ? neener!

I would have to respectively disagree on this one. Having used a .308 for over 20 years now on game a lot harder to hit at longer distances than bear or deer… I can say (from experience) that a .308 does carry enough velocity and energy to kill almost anything you shoot at out to about 7-750yds… IF you make a GOOD shot. The trick is to understand the angle that the bullet will be traveling at that distance… But, as has been said on here MANY… MANY times before, if you HAVE to take a shot over 3-400yds… you aren’t hunting… you are target shooting. As far as scopes go… get whatever you want to get… just keep it on a lower power when you are hunting and you’ll be just fine. I prefer a fixed 10X with a mil-dot recital and an adjustable objective. KNOW your equipment and KNOW your hunting area and you’ll be just fine.

WesternHunter's picture
Offline
Joined: 05/05/2006
Posts: 2374
NEW TO HUNTING

Encouraging a newbie to take long shots on a deer is pretty bad advise to be giving. In fact it's not a good idea for even experienced hunters to be doing. Want to shoot long range?? Do it on paper!!

I can see absolutley no reason why anyone would have a need to take a 700+ yard shot at a white tail deer. The .308 has plenty of pontential in the right hands, but biggame isn't something you use as target practice. If you can't get within 100 to 150 yards of your game animal, then you need to rethink your hunting strategy. Respect the game out in the wild.

HeavyC's picture
Offline
Location: Greeley, CO
Joined: 07/19/2008
Posts: 635
NEW TO HUNTING

Must be watching too much of "Best of The West"!! Shame on You!

WesternHunter's picture
Offline
Joined: 05/05/2006
Posts: 2374
NEW TO HUNTING

My thoughts exactly Brick Wall,)

Offline
Location: Minnesota
Joined: 11/26/2007
Posts: 74
NEW TO HUNTING

I used to work with an ex-millitary guy, who was a qualified sniper. He said that he could hit a quarter 3 out of 5 times at 1,000 yards. He hunted a lot...with only his bow. He said that the sniper training was cool and all, but shooting a deer at long range wasn't fun. He knew if he could see it, he could hit it, so he only bow hunts becuase there is a challenge for him in the hunt.

HeavyC's picture
Offline
Location: Greeley, CO
Joined: 07/19/2008
Posts: 635
NEW TO HUNTING

Those boys can sure shoot, but I would just bet they miss a bunch more shots that they show on TV!! Think

WesternHunter's picture
Offline
Joined: 05/05/2006
Posts: 2374
NEW TO HUNTING
Tatertot45 wrote:
I used to work with an ex-millitary guy, who was a qualified sniper. He said that he could hit a quarter 3 out of 5 times at 1,000 yards. He hunted a lot...with only his bow. He said that the sniper training was cool and all, but shooting a deer at long range wasn't fun. He knew if he could see it, he could hit it, so he only bow hunts becuase there is a challenge for him in the hunt.

Probabaly the real reason he never tried to hunt deer at 1000 yards is because he couldn't reliably hit one in the vitals at those distances. If I were you I would have pick that guys brain a little deeper. Start asking some questions, then see if his story and his credibility comes apart. I bet it will.

I'm not aware of any biggame hunting rifle that's capable of quarter sized groups at 1000 yards, nor do I know of anyone capable of delivering that type of accuracy at those distances.

For hunting you need to be capable of consistantly putting all your shots at the very least into an area the size of a paper plate at whatever distance you plan to shoot an animal, in order to be effective while hunting. One should not attempt to take shots in the field at an animal until they can do that off-hand or from a less than perfect rest, not just a bench. And don't even attempt it at 1000yrds with a factory standard hunting rifle, ain't gonna happen.

Offline
Location: Texas
Joined: 08/13/2009
Posts: 37
NEW TO HUNTING
Tatertot45 wrote:
I used to work with an ex-millitary guy, who was a qualified sniper. He said that he could hit a quarter 3 out of 5 times at 1,000 yards. He hunted a lot...with only his bow. He said that the sniper training was cool and all, but shooting a deer at long range wasn't fun. He knew if he could see it, he could hit it, so he only bow hunts becuase there is a challenge for him in the hunt.

WOW... having just retired from this profession and having served this country’s interest all over the world I can say with some confidence that your “friend” may have been over stating his abilities somewhat. In all my years as a B4 qualified Ranger and the 3 years as an instructor at the Army’s Sniper School at Ft Benning, GA and later another 3 years as an active duty instructor for Nat Guardsmen at Camp Robinson, AK, I have only seen 2 or 3 individuals who could hit a quarter 1 out of 10 times at that range. Hitting the 6X4in target in the center of a silhouette is hard enough at that range. Even SEEING a target at that range is hard much less holding the scope on a spot the size of a quarter.

Anyway, if it sounded like I was encouraging taking a shot at an animal at those ranges, all I can say is you miss read the post. I was simply answering the question of weather or not a 168grn fully jacketed .308 with a BC of .475 and having (at 1000yds) a velocity of 1253fps and energy of 587ft lbs could kill an animal. The answer to the question was… yes it can. However; as I stated, at those ranges you also have to understand trajectory dynamics. If you are making a heart shot at a deer at 1000yds, you need to understand that the heart is 6-8 inches inside the chest cavity and the bullet will hit your target (if you make a good shot) at an angle of around 32 degrees down. At that angle your bullet can miss the heart completely unless it enters 3-4 inches high. What I’m hoping to get across to everyone here is this… stick to the shots you KNOW you can make. Since I retired I have been able to hunt only once, but I have a 350yd firing range in my back yard and access to a 1000yd range. I fire my rifle on average 30 times a day in all weather and wind conditions and yet the one time I’ve been hunting in the last 2 years I took a doe at 232 yards after stalking her for over 4 hours from an initial range of 1350 yards. I could have taken her several times over in that 4 hours at longer ranges… but were would the FUN have been in that?

saskie's picture
Offline
Moderator
Location: West Carleton, Ottawa, Canada
Joined: 12/23/2002
Posts: 1264
NEW TO HUNTING
SSgt wrote:
What I’m hoping to get across to everyone here is this… stick to the shots you KNOW you can make.

Amen brother Thumbs up

WesternHunter's picture
Offline
Joined: 05/05/2006
Posts: 2374
NEW TO HUNTING

SSgt, I knew what you were getting at as far as energy available with a .308 at 1000 yards. Anyone who reloads and knows how to read a ballistic chart or perform those basic calculations will know what you are saying is true regarding energy down range.

What I was getting at is that someone new to hunting and likely new to shooting will not understand that while a 7.62X51mm has the energy to kill at that range, it does not mean you take shots at that range. You and I know this as do a great many hunters. Just have to be careful of giving a newbies info that they may use the wrong way. That's all I was getting at.

As far as sniping at 1000 yards. Isn't it true that an M40 or M24 even in very capable hand is only capable of hitting an area the size of a human torso at 1000 yards and not much tighter? It was before this global war on terrorism, you know back when it was vogue for some to B.S. about being a former F-16 or FA-18 driver instead of a special ops sniper or special forces operator/sniper. Anyway I had the priviledge in those days of taking long range shooting course taught by former Marine Corps snipers. One of the first myths they disspelled was that even with an accurized 7.62mm rifle no one will be shooting 3 inch groups at 1000 yards with a .308.

Related Forum Threads You Might Like

ThreadThread StarterRepliesLast Updated
Hunting Questiondogbird77710/29/2005 17:33 pm
Interested in HuntingKostiouk209/12/2003 06:02 am
Looking for hunting partner tkdhunter012/04/2010 10:52 am
Boar hunting in PennsylvaniaBad Karma303/24/2004 05:13 am
crow huntingwcox20051311/17/2005 09:07 am