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Hey, and I am going to begin hunting. I wanted to know what kinda gun would be good for me. Ill mostly be on a mountain in the catskills of New York or in brush/timber of Long Island. I wanted to know if there was a good gun with not a big recoil for me. I used to have a .22 rifle and that didnt bother me, is there a rifle with not such a big recoil but still is good enough for whitetail? thanks guys!!

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Welcome to the forums. This will definitely generate some discussions. My picks for a low recoil deer rifle would be:

.243
30-30
.270
7mm08

If it was me choosing my first deer rifle from that group, I'd pick the 30-30. They're cheap, they're tough, ammo is easy to find and cheap and most of they'll do the job out to 200yds no problem.

Here's some more reading to help a bit:
http://www.fieldandstream.com/fieldstream/hunting/article/0

http://www.outdoorcanada.ca/deer_rifle_intro.html

http://www.chuckhawks.com/index2d.rifles.htm

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Amy, saskie gave you some excellent calibre choices but I feel that since the 7mm08 was listed then the 30.06 should have been listed also. I killed my first Buck with one when I was only 9. It is a well rounded calibre that has medium recoil and offers a large selection of bullet types and weights so you can brush bust AND reach out there across that ravine in the mountains. 7mm08 will also do the same and it is also medium recoil, however, the 30.06 is much more popular, hence there is a wider bullet selection.
All that being said, I believe that every hunter should make their first whitetail rifle a 30.30 and the only reason I mentioned anything else is because of the mountain hunting that you mentioned.
saskie also provided some great sites...excellent reading
Good luck and welcome to hunting. keep safe!!

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I agree with JTapia the .30-06 is a good gun to shoot It does have a decent recoil for new shooters(ALL you guys that don't think so shoot one off of the opposite shoulder you normally shoot from) But when your in the woods it's a different ballgame than being at the range. You don't even notice the recoil because your so concentrated on watching the deer and making a follow up shot if necessary. Good Luck and welcome to the wonderful sport of hunting.

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I personally would recommend either the .243 or 7mm-08. The .30-30 has its merits, but both of the above are faster, flatter shooting rounds with better ballistics and more choices of bullet available.

I disagree with the .30-06 idea, due to the recoil factor. My 13 year old son started hunting last year and loves his .243, but didn't like my .308 at all due to recoil -- and an '06 is a step up from a .308. Granted, you won't notice recoil when you shoot in the woods, but before you get there you'll fire a lot at the range for practice and sighting in. That's where you'll develop the habits that determine how steadily you'll hold the rifle when the moment comes. If you're shaky and have a flinch, you'll be worse off than if you're using a smaller caliber you're comfortable with.

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My biggest reason for reccomending the 30-30 for new shooters is that it's a cheap rifle to learn on. My second choice would be a 270 Remmington Model 710. It's also quite affordable and comes with a decent scope out of the box.

Most importantly - if the only thing you've ever fired is a .22 WEAR GOOD EAR PROTECTION when you first fire a big-game rifle. Assuming you're using even a moderate recoil rifle, it will be the noise more than the "kick" that will get you.

I agree that a 30-06 is not the place for someone to start with a big game rifle, especially if they're concerned about recoil. The 30-06 recoil is quite tolerable, if you're prepared for it, but in my opinion it is well over the line between light and moderate recoil. Unless there is someone there to guide and teach them how to handle it. If you're on your own, start small and work up.

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Kudos to saskie, Ear protection is something that I have not seen in these forums. Along with eye protection, this is very important not only for the "flinching" factor but also for safety.Cant hunt very well when you cant see or hear em coming.
I also still stand by the 30.30 as a first choice for new hunters. I only mentioned the 30.06 because it was mentioned that there would be both brush hunting AND mountain hunting. 30.30 just doesn't have the range, .270 and .243 dosen't have a good reputation for shooting thru brush (both are fine calibres) and the 7mm.08, in my opinion, has a recoil only slightly less than a 30.06 but noticeably more than a .243,.270 and 30.30. I personally have hunted most of my life with a .308 and only recently started using a 30.06 for the more open clear cut shots that have become more available since the timber company started cutting their land that I hunt on. Still use the .308 and shotgun for the swamps though.
One tip that I read in a magazine once is that for beginners to shooting seek out their local Trap/Skeet club and go there and shoot a few rounds with a lite shotgun, 20 Ga, to get a feel for recoil. There you'll also get used to wearing hearing and eye protection while shooting, and....its fun!!

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Lots of good suggestions. The .243, 7mm-08, or 30-30 would be good choices. Don't forget about the .260 or 25-06. Also good, low recoil guns. Or if you can find a .257 Roberts, only Ruger makes them new anymore. Thats what I killed my first deer with. Try borrowing some guns from other people and see what kind of recoil you are comfortable with.

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One more point - before you buy, check your local gun/sporting goods shops to make sure that they stock your ammo regularly.

In my case that was a major deciding factor between the 7mm-08 and the .308. 7mm08 was not regularly stocked but .308 was. Had I bought the 7mm08 I'd have been forced to special order ammo if I wanted to go to the range after their "hunting season stock" was gone.

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Can't go wrong with the 243 with 100 grain bullets. Good luck and welcome!

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I agree with bitmasher, I have a 243 I use and I also got one for my 10 year old son to use, this is his first year hunting and I know he is hooked.

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