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New Here From AZ, Questions about whitetail

Hey there... Jason from Northern AZ here...
Great forum! Avid western hunter here, but heading out on an archery whitetail hunt in Kansas the 2nd week of November...

I've hunted out there twice (2004 - 160" 10 point & 2008 - 180" 12 point). Both bucks were taken in December on rifle hunts, but I am really interested in any suggestions you can give me in regards to hunting these awesome animals.

I've talked w/some guys and I've watched some of the hunting shows..., however, not all information is given in much detail...

I'm really interested in calls/calling and scent attractants.

IE: snort-wheeze (when, how often?). rattling & grunting (again, when, how often, how aggresively)?

And, being a western hunter and used to long spot & stalk situations or hours in ground blinds over water sources..., I am used to scent away products and use them religiously. Also, during elk hunts in the rut, I know when and how to use elk urine. However, wicks & urine...? Where to locate? How much to use? How to set-up?

My hunting will be out of tree stands over food & water sources and travel routes... (Pre-Determined by the hunting outfitter that I am using)..., however, I am looking for any other advantage that I can give myself in order to harvest a quality buck.

I've probably rambled on & on & lost the interest of my readers..., but if anyone is still reading & can offer any advice..., and and all information provided would be greatly appreciated.

Hope you all are having a wonderful season.

Thanks;
JW

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Welcome to the forum.

Rule #1 - DON'T OVERCALL. Like elk, deer can x-fix a sound with their ears Although I would say they're not as good at it as elk (not that I have any experience with elk) they have always seemed to know apprx where the sound was coming from when they showed up. So if you can see him, and he hasn't actually started to leave, be patient, keep quiet and let him come so he doesn't get that last lock on you.

The only call I can definitely say worked for me is a bleat can - a couple bleats every 30 min at most. Definitely called in a 8pt once with the bleat. He showed up picking his way through the swamp about 45 min after my last call, clearly trying to see where the "doe" was. I dropped him at 60yds.

Have seen grunt call work, breaking the "if you can see him don't call rule" my brother called a buck that was +300yds away. Just one toot and the buck wandered over to see what was there; a couple times he lost interest and started to walk away, another (quieter) toot aimed at the ground and he turned and came on a bit more. When he looked like he was turning to leave again at 125yds Don dropped him.

Rattling is a double edged sword - yes it works, but more often than not you won't see the result because they'll quietly sneak in downwind of the ruckus, make you and leave, so I don't do it much unless the area offers good cover for me AND good all-around vis, which isn't very many places where I hunt.

Good luck.

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saskie;
thanks for the info...

that's why i was interested in possibly using one of the electronic calls... hang it out away from the tree that i will be in to keep the deer interested in another direction...

good to know about the bleat as well...

thanks again;
JW

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On the subject of rattling...I think that's dependant on the stage of the rut. For what its worth the only real deer fight I (sort of) witnessed sounded nothing like those rattles you see in videos or TV. Two bucks were scrapping about 75yds from me in a clearing (I was covering an open pine flat adjacent to the clearing that had several trails leading to the clearing crossing it).

I started to hear a single REALLY loud TOCK! - like someone was banging two 3" thick frozen chunks of willow together, just once, as hard as they could every few minutes; sometimes followed by a faint thud or scuffling sound. I had no clue what it was - some kind of woodpecker? I can't stress enough how incredibly loud the tock was.

This went on for about 30min before a doe bust out of the brush around the clearing and across the flat, with (presumably) the winner of the scrap hot on her heels. When I brought the rifle up the buck froze (thankfully) and I dropped him. It was only after we skinned him out and saw all the fresh bruising that I figured out what that strange tock noise was - him locking horns with a rival.

Since I was a fair distance away (75yds) with a 10-20ft rise in between me and the clearing I'd have probably heard more "rattling" had I been closer. And this was an all out serious scrap between two more or less equals, not some social sparring match, since it went on for so long with a hot doe ready and waiting.

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