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Location: Seattle, WA
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Okay, I've read many of the threads regarding one gun for all North American game. Currently, I own a 270 WSM Shadow. I have had it for 2 years now and have taken 2 whitetail 100yds/70 yds/ and 1 elk at 70 yds.

I want to replace the gun because it's finicky with any round other than 130 grain silvertips. Its great for the 130 grains, but anything above that changes the accuracy too much. Also, the stock on the shadow is sloppy and cheesy though it was a good value. I have it topped with a Leupold VX-1 3x9.

I want one gun for all lower 48 game. My deer hunting is done in wide open big sky rolling hill wheat country. I have had a few opportunities to take deer between 200-500yds and missed all those shots. Fortunately, I was always tenacious enough to finall y gain close range opportunites before it was too late. however, it was lucky and a heckuva lotta hard work to gain them. I zeroed the 270WSM to be an inch high at 100yds and shot excellent groups. I was stunned at the misses I have had with this gun out past 200 yds. Almost felt as though nothing came out of the gun. I want to spend a bit more $$ and get a better stocked gun and want your opinions on whether or not I should move to 30 cal. Previously I have owned and loved a 300 winmag classic sporter that drove tacks. I never missed an animal with that gun witht he longest being out past 350yds. Also, not happy with the factory ammao Ive seen on the 270wsm (even had some fall apart when taken out of the box. I don't handload unfortunately.....but may in the future. The elk in eastern washington are in pine timber with intermittent meadows but usually you will not need to shoot past 200yds. What would be my best gun for these two applications. I don't care about weight or length. And, I will definitely have it fitted with a bi-pod after the long range misses I had last year. Please let me know not only which caliber to get, but also which factory gun comes witht the best stock, barrel and action features. Or, do I have to bite the bullet and get whchever gun I get re-bedded to really have a dependable set-up. I am a beleiver in that "you get what you pay for with guns.....and the shadow was cheap. Is the Ultimate shadow any better? I'm currently kind of leaning toward 30-06 or 300wsm

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Location: NONYA,thats in MONTANA
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I would recommend the 7mm Rem Mag or a 300 WM.

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Location: Seattle, WA
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Thanks for the suggestions-The only reason i hesitate on the 300 wm is because I shot a whitetail at 75 yds with my last 300 wm and was shocked at the meat damage I got. That bullet went in-no prollem-but left an exit would the size of a softball. Just seems like an awful lot of gun for whitetail.

The 7mm Rem Mag is sounding better all the time.

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Location: Utah
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I agree that there's not a huge selection of ammo choices for the WSM's, but have you tried other brands in the 270 WSM?

Example:

* Winchester Supreme 140-gr. AccuBond or 150-gr. Partition
* Federal Vital Shok 140-gr. AccuBond (bullet is seated deeper than Winchesters)
* Hornady 139-gr. Interlock

Keep in mind that the Sectional Density of a .277 caliber bullet is just a tad under that of a 165-gr. .308 caliber, so it's no slouch and neither are the 140-gr. loads.

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Location: Missouri/Arkansas
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280 Remington. 140-165 grain factory loads. Performs slightly better than a 270 Winchester and just a hair below a 30-06.

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If the 280 performs below the 30-06 why wouldnt I just get the 30-06????

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Little bit less recoil than the 30-06, little more punch than the 270. If you want a 30-06, get one, I have one and I love it.

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okay, now that I have it drilled down to the 30-06, give me some examples of guns with a great stock and out of the box accuracy. My budget will allow $500.00 at the low end to a max of about $750.00. I have a Leupold VX-1 I bought last year 3x9. Should I go high quality used? Or, whatever I can afford new in that budget. I have always loved winchester classic sporters-think they are well designed to inhibit recoil...no huge drops on the comb and all.

If I can find a good deal on a used gun, how much would it cost me to get it accurized. glass Bedded etc.

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Location: Missouri/Arkansas
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Mine is Remington model 700 BDL, good gun, very accurate, and very beautiful. You could also get the ADL wood or synthetic and it's way cheaper and just as good. I'm partial to the 700.

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Location: Florida,USA
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Captain is right....Rem 700 ADL 30.06....I dont think you can get a better "out of the box" tack driver than one of these and wood can be beautiful.

Also to consider a Winchester mod 70. Also accurate out of the box and beautiful wood. They are slightly more expensive than the Rem 700 though

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Location: Utah
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Next to the 30-30 Win, I'd rate the 280 Rem as the 2nd most underrated cartridge. Had it been introduced a tad earlier than the 270 Win (instead of shortly thereafter), the roles would have been reversed and the 7mm Mag might never have even gotton started.

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As far as what type of rifle to get, this past spring I purchased a new Remington 700 SPS Stainless 30-06.

Rifle was $469.00 from Sportsman's Warehouse in Utah and included a 24" stainless / parkerized barrel and Limbsaver Recoil Pad.

FYI:

The blued version was discounted to $398.00, but we liked the stainless at $469. (Note: The 2005 Stainless version retails for $613 and has replaced the 2004 BDL's Stainless. The 2005 SPS in blue ($520 retail) has replaced the 2004 ADL line which was dropped.)

We Piller Bedding the action / Free Floating the Barrel, and Adjusted the Trigger to 2 3/4 lbs. So far, results have been 7/8" MOA with the rifle only having 100 rounds through the barrel.

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