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Location: Alabama
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Neurotoxins ?!?

Has anyone here ever heard of shooting neurotoxins out of specially design broadheads. A guy I know was telling me he shot some kind of stuff that doctors use when performing heart surgery. He said that deer won't run far when hit with this stuff. He also said tht within 30-45 min it breaks down into a non-toxic from and the meat is thereby edible. My first question is : Is this guy feeding me a load of stuff or not? Second in your opinion is it ethical? Does it work and has anyone ever used it?

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Location: Sunny San Diego
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Neurotoxins ?!?

I don't know, but it'd be kinda funny if you accidently cut your finger on one of your home made NeuroTips... Hey, if you don't kill anything, you could always dry out some of the toxin and smoke it... ha ha ha! j/k.

I'm not sure DFG would like that too much.

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Location: Alabama
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Neurotoxins ?!?

Supposedly special broadheads that are used that have a internal compartment that distributes the toxin, which is in a powder form, upon impact with target.

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Neurotoxins ?!?

OH - I'M SORRY - YOU'RE IN ALABAMA!

I DIDN'T REALIZE THAT... I'M SURE, NOT ONLY DO THEY HAVE THEM, BUT THEY'RE LEGAL TOO! Heck, they probably sell them right next to Brother & Sister marriage licenses.

ha ha ha! I'm just raggin on ya cause I'm bored and frustrated here at work. No offense intended! lol

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Location: Sunny San Diego
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Neurotoxins ?!?

Out of curiosity, I sent an email to a friend of mine in the CA DFG. Here's what he said:

we already have subsection 354(d) in the Archery Equipment Section which states: "(d) No arrows or crossbow bolt with an explosive head or with any substance which would tranquilize or poison any animal may be used. No arrows....etc."

The drugs the guy is talking about are probably carfentanyl or etorphine derivatives which are like synthetic morphines or neuroblockers. We use etorphine to immobilize hoofed stock like deer, elk, BHS, etc, but on average you need 4-5 cc to knock down a deer and that's enough to kill several hundred humans. It's really nasty stuff.
I've heard they use diluted forms for human cardiac surgery. You also would need a Class 1 DEA license to obtain it. If this is the kind of stuff he's using, I wouldn't consume it either, well maybe once, if you get my drift!!!

Sounds like that's your answer.

Jesse

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Location: Alabama
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Neurotoxins ?!?

Thanks for the info! I just started bowhunting two years ago and had never heard of anything like that. But I think I'll just stay away from that. lol

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Location: Sunny San Diego
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yeah, I was surprised that stuff is real! I can't believe it!

Hey, you guys are allowed to shoot a ton of deer over there.. aren't you?

we get two bucks a year, if we're lucky to even see one (2 yrs skunked in a row)

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Location: Clark Fork, Idaho
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Poison Arrows

It is illegal in all the western states just to be in possession of this stuff. A few years back there was a guy or so called bowhunter that came upto Idaho and would kill a elk every year for about ten years. We thought hey this guys pretty good. Then he got busted by our local warden. He had been shooting these poison arrows. He could hit it in the foot and it died. Great hunting ethics huh.

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Location: Alabama
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Neurotoxins ?!?

Hey guys sorry I been away for a while. But OZ yeah we can legally take one buck and a doe or two does a day from OCT. 15 to JAN. 31 with a bow. Now nobody is that lucky or unethical around here. Oddly enough a twist in this story is that about a week ago the guy that was telling me about this stuff passed away from a heart attack. He was a good fella. :(