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Here's the situation, I had my new bow I bought last fall shooting 3" groups at 40 yds. up until couple days ago. When we paper tuned it at the shop when I bought it the arrows were shooting perfect. My peep sight started slipping because of the bottom string that held the peep in place came undone. My local bow shop that I have dealt with recently closed so I decided to go to Cabela's for the fix. I told them I just needed the string retied to keep the peep in place and I also decided to replace the aluminum ultra nock with a string loop because of the noise. I told them to make sure the nock was in the exact same spot. When I got the bow home and took some shots the first arrow flew way high and actually missed the whole target. The nock had been moved down about half an inch. Not able to move the tied nock I lowered my rest to compensate. ( The original nock was set at almost perpendicular with the string.) Shot much better but can't move the sights enough because of the compensation. So now my 30 yd pin actually works as my 20 yd. pin. My thinking now was to retie a new nock to the oringinal spot and everything should be good(I have not retied yet). But today I decided to paper tune how it is set right now and I get a huge tear to the bottom of the fletching. I moved the rest back to how it was when Cabela's finished with it and the tear was still to the bottom but not as bad. In order to move the nock enough to get a perfect tune it looks like the nock will be about an inch below 90 degrees and the arrow will be against the bottom of my sights which actually need to be moved down to get back on the 20 yd pin.
What the Hell went wrong Brick Wall,) 3 days till opening day and my confidence in my shooting went from very high to an all time low. Can you guys give me some direction, please!!!

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Well red you experianced what a lot of folks have. And learned a great lesson, which is DONT TAKE YOUR BOWS TO THOSE BIG CONGLOMERATE STORES!!!

Red I need to know what kind of bow it is so Ill know what size shooting/sight window you have. Then I need to know if you have or have access to a bow vise to where you can lock the bow into an upright level position. The way all my compounds have always worked best and bullet hole paper tuning is to have a 2 degree up bubble at the noch side. Meaning the noch side is about 1/8 inch higher than at the rest side. From what you are describing it sounds like your fletchings may be hitting the sights and tailing it down. May have to rework the whole thing. Also what type of rest are you using? Little info and Ill do all I can to help you.

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Thanks Cam Thumbs up I had a real bad feeling going to Cabelas.

The bow is a Whisper Creek Stealth http://www.whispercreekarchery.com/2007_Bows/StealthLX.html

very short axle to axle.
Top Gun drop away rest http://www.hunting-fishing-gear.com/article-display/1455.html

At one point I did notice the fletchings hitting part of the rest. I turned the arrow nock to give the fletchings more clearance. Seemed to work, but I did a powder test and noticed was slightly touching platform on the bow(not sure what that part is called). This was happening when I had moved the rest way down.

No immediate access to a bow vise.

I have to imagine the main problem is coming from the nock pt. That's the only thing they really altered. Why they had it below center I don't know. Something good will come from all of this, I will learn to work on my own bow! Amazing how very few people, me included and including the bow shops, know what they are doing. Glad I have you guys to go to! Thanks Again!

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Ok you have a drop away rest. You mentioned that you lowered it. Raise it back to where you had it. Then noch an arrow . Level your bow as well as you can while looking at it from the side. Get your arrow dead level then move it up about 1/8 inch. Mark your string on either side of the nock. Now tie a new noch loop on those marks. A noch stop (little brass thing on the string) is not nessessary with this method. If tied correctly the string loop will not move. What the morons probably did was set your noch point with the drop away rest DOWN. You have to have it UP like it is in full draw. Its a commonly done mistake by rookies to do that. Have a friend pull the little cable deally on the rest to simulate full draw position and this should fix you right up. If not then PM me and Ill give you my PH # or you can give me yours either way and Ill walk you through it. Its not that difficult to do just a minor pain in the rump.

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Red,

If working with Cam doesn't solve the problem, then there is a bow shop in Topeka on south hwy 75. It used to be the Fishin' Hole and is now B2 or something like that. The new owner worked at the old shop and I met him them. Seems pretty knowldedgable and may be able to help.

My hunting buddy uses a shop up north that he really likes. I can find out where that one is if you want.

Good luck.

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Thanks Guys Thumbs up
I have to work all day so I'll work on it hopefully tonight.

CVC - That shop up north might be helpful, if not now , in the future. Where north are they?

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They're opening a Cabela's just south of here. I know and shoot with one of the young men that will be working the bow department. His knowledge is exceptional.
I don't typicalIy use the conglomerates. I prefer the mom and pop shops like the one that is guy once worked at. I highly recommend a visit to this Cabela's for bow problems.

It's an easy fix. Let us know how it's going.

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fuzzy, most all of them have one that knows what they are doing. The problem is that they are underpaid and over worked. They get tons of bows in and just dont pay the attention that is needed to be paid. One knowing what they are doing and 5 others that are clueless just dont cut it for me. Gander Mountain tried to hire me At their new Pa store a few years back. I laughed when they offerd me 8 bucks an hour and told them if thats what they were paying they were going to have a sorry bow shop. Not many Bow Masters would even think about working for that lil bit of change unless they were retired and bored. Friend of mine (against my advise) took his bow there to get a new string. He ended up having to get a new bow because they cracked his riser using the wrong press. Didnt even have the balls to own up to it either.

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We all know that the mom and pop shops are going by the way side and it's getting harder to find good places to take your gear.
The object is to dispense where a guy can find a competent bow tuner and get his bow tuned properly.

If you have any info on a shop near Redrider. I'm sure he would appreciate it.

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I found a few on the net on yellowbook.com but NE Kansas is pretty big. Plus I dont know them personally nor the work that they do so I dont know.

There are MANY archery shops still out there and yes the big conglomerates are taking a chunk out of them. But with the help of companies like Hoyt and BowTech not allowing them to sell their named product line they are still surviving and actually making a bit of a come back. Plus most any hard core archer knows that these places are our roots and we want to keep them. They provide the service and personel that we need. I personally dont mind paying a little bit more because I KNOW that everything will be done right and with care.

Here is the yellobook link for you Red. There are like 6 or 7 in NE Kansas that I could see on the map. If you need help yell.

http://www.yellowbook.com/search/?T=1&A=1&Q=archery+shops&BN=&WH=kansas&...

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redrider wrote:
Thanks Guys Thumbs up
I have to work all day so I'll work on it hopefully tonight.

CVC - That shop up north might be helpful, if not now , in the future. Where north are they?

I will get it to you as soon as I catch up with my hunting buddy.

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