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I currently shoot a Marlin 30/30. I love the gun personally but where I am about to hunt I will need to be taking shot to about 150-200 yards. From everything I read the 30/30 is good till about 125 yards or so before it starts to peter out.

I'm looking for a caliber that is low on recoil, Compact gun (that is why I love the 30/30, Able to take a whitetail at 200+ yards and not overpowered where I will ruin most of the meat) I've tried a 30.06 and hate the caliber (My father tells me I'm crazy but it's too much for me as my shoulder can't take it, I'm a big guy but have a shoulder injury from the military and that 30.06 kills me).

I've heard the .257, 270 and the .243 options but I don't know a lot about the caliber and never shot it so wouldn't know how the recoil is.

Any info/advice would be appreciated. Oh yeah and also ammo price would be an issue if I get an off caliber I love but the bullets are costing me $5 a shot for target practice. Maybe my caliber isn't made yet (22 comes to mind!!!) lol.

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The 270 with 130 grain bullets would be a great choice I would think. There are now " managed Recoil" rounds on the market that do exactly what the name implies .If reloading is an option for you the limits to what you can do with various loads is never ending.
Remember that Recoil is measured using the total weight of your firearm, so a 6.0 lb, unscoped rifle will have considerable more recoil that a 7.5lb scoped rile(probably around 9:.25 lbs with scope,rings, full clip) bullet weight is also calculated in the formula. If carrying a 9:50 lbs rifle setup doesn't bother you, just the recoil, then go that route. Don't let 9 1/2 lbs scare you, that is the total weight of my Rem 700 LH in 270, scoped with a Bushnell 3 x 9 .

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Any of the rounds you have listed will work well for deer at the distances you've listed.

While terminal ballistics are not all about energy at impact, it does play a significant role The more energy that is sent out the end of the barrel, the more boot there will be at the end of the but stock. Most guys hunting .243 are using an 87gr+ bullet. The 257 100gr+ (When you say .257, I assume you mean the 257 Roberts rather than the improved or the Weatherby mag which will likely have more recoil) and the favorite .270 is the 130 gr. all at around 3000fps, +/- 100fps produce results worthy of most deer. Any will do nicely if a proper hunting bullet is used. The energy produced by the .257 is greater than the .243 and the .270 produces more than the .257.

Before you make a final decision based on energy/recoil, there are some pretty inovative products out there to reduce recoil. I'd talk to a competent gunsmith about these options and their prices. I believe you may be pleasantly surprised at what they will do as well as the price. I'd bet a health sum that they can set you up with a system that will make your 30/30 feel like a mule kick. I have a .243 that shoots with the recoil of a .22 rimfire.

If you have injury issues, the weight of the rifle itself may be a factor too. There are some very nice lightweight rifles out there. One of these, coupled with the right recoil system, may work well for you.

Best of luck in your quest.

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If you like your 30-30, I'll assume it's a lever gun, and want a great rifle/round with a bit more energy and range. Check out Brownings lever gun in 7-08. 140gr bullet, tolerable recoil and capable out to 300 yds.

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That 7-08 would be a great round for your needs. The 243 would be another great option with very little recoil.

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Your .30-30 is capable of making those shots and cleanly killing deer, if you want a flatter trajectory try those leverevolution rounds from hornady. They may cost a bit more then your standard .30-30 ammo but its about equal to my .30-06.

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If you're looking for another rifle, I'd recommend either a .243 or a 7-08. I've got a .243 and it's very forgiving to shoot. Both rounds are based on a .308 case -- the only difference is that the .243 is a 6 mm bullet and the 7-08 is 7 mm. So the 7-08 offers a heavier bullet.

If you compare the two, the 140 gr 7-08 starts out with about 600 ft-lbs more energy over a 100 gr .243 (2437 vs 1803), and the difference is around 500 ft-lbs out around 200 yards. In terms of trajectory, they're almost identical but the 7-08 is less prone to wind drift.

Of course, Newton says an increase in energy yields an increase in recoil, and you'll have to figure that out. By comparison, a .30-06 with a 180 gr bullet is up around 2900 ft lbs at the muzzle.

I've always heard that a good rule of thumb for deer is to have 1000 ft-lbs of energy when you hit one. A .243 will have that out to 300 yards and will have dropped 8 inches if you've sighted in at 200.

On the other hand, if you like your .30-30 the 170 gr Leverevolution will still carry over 1000 ft-lbs at 300 yards, but will have dropped around a foot. It also starts out around 2000 ft-lbs of energy at the muzzle, which is right between the .243 and 7-08. By comparison, a 150 gr round nose in .30-30 is down to almost 500 ft-lbs at 300 yards and has dropped 29 inches.

So if you love your .30-30 and just want longer range, the Leverevolution will get you there, albeit with a bit more bullet drop. Otherwise, either the .243 or 7-08 will work fine.

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fuzzybear wrote:
If you like your 30-30, I'll assume it's a lever gun, and want a great rifle/round with a bit more energy and range. Check out Brownings lever gun in 7-08. 140gr bullet, tolerable recoil and capable out to 300 yds.

I shoot the BLR (.308) and it's an excellent rifle and I love it - however I wouldn't reccomend it if you're "planning" to shoot at 200yds. Yes, it will do it no problem. The problem that I have found is that with it's lightweight and short barrel unless you have a VERY steady hand it's difficult to shoot accurately past about 150.

I used to think I was a lousy shot until I got my M/L (long barrel, heavy rifle) and suddenly realized it wasn't all me.

Also due to it's lightweight (as has been mentioned) the "mild mannered" .308 has a suprising kick in the little gun. I can't speak for the 7mm08, but in a BLR it will feel a lot harder than it would in other rifles.

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If you handload or want to start, I'd suggest the 260 Rem. Then the 7-08 and the 25-06. I'd strongly recommend the 6.5x55 but you might have trouble finding ammo, that you'd have to check on. I had one built for my ex and she gave up her 6mm Rem in favor of it.

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Don't underestimate the value of a GOOD recoil pad especially in this situation. I say this all of the time on this forum and probably sound like Rain Man or something, but it's amazing how much they can do even for a smaller rifle. I hurt my shoulder in late summer this year (I feel your pain!) and it still hasn't healed but I can manage a 308 with a Simms Limbsaver pad pretty well.

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Ditto on Limbsavers -- best pad on the market, and they really take the edge off by absorbing the sharp initial impulse that hurts the most.

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