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Hi all,

Well I have saved up some bday, christmas and other money to put together my dream gun. Now I know this isn't everyone's dream gun, buut I need some help as to how to put a rifle set-up together. I have a ouple rifles, but they were private deals so everything was set-up. ANyways, this is the gun I want:

http://www.remington.com/products/firearms/centerfire_rifles/model_700/m...

Remington model 700, 30-06 i n realtree hardwoods hd/grey.

I have found this scope:

http://www.traditionsfirearms.com/eshop/10Expand.asp?ProductCode=A1147HDD

Now, do I need scope mounts and rings etc? I guess the next question is, what do I need to complete a gun.

Also, I will be hunting in BC, Alberta and Ontario for deer, elk and moose. Is the 3-9x50 a good way to go?

Please any input would be most appreciated. Again, this is the first time putting a gun together.

Thanks

Clu

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First of all welcome!!
Now since you asked my opinion ( first mistake) I will give it to you. Great choice in a rifle. I'm not a big fan of synthetic as I just like pretty guns but the Remington 700 is a proven performer as is your choice in caliber. Consider that you are spending the better part of seven hundred bucks on a rifle and considering an optic for seventy nine bucks. I long ago learned my lesson the hard way that you will regret buying cheap scopes. Save more if you must but do not scimp on your glass, you WILL come to regret it and it will be seventy nine bucks wasted. Add about a hundred more dollars to that and youll be in the ball park for something decent. In the moderate price range I would recommend Leupold, Nikon, Pentax, Weaver and Burris. All make some nice glass for a reasonable price. Trust me. I nearly had a hunt ruined for me by a cheap scope. I paid a lot of money for the hunt. Far more than a good scope would have cost. In addition good glass can add up to an hour or more of hunting time a day. This by itself can pay for the cost of the glass. Just my opinion. Once again Welcome and good luck with whatever you decide to buy.

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There probably aren't many of us who are actually pros on here, but we've all got opinions based on some kind of experience. So here's my opinion: do what Bunny Slayer said. You really should spend a little extra cabbage on good glass. As for scope mounts, I highly recommend the Talley Lightweight aluminum 1 piece mounts. There is no separate base and rings on these babies, they are awesome and don't cost anymore than standard mounts. I'd add one more brand in Bushnell, but only with the Elite line. Those are good scopes for the money. That's a great rifle and caliber, I've even got a buddy who bought that exact same gun and put a nikon team primos 3-9x40 scope on it.
I'd recommend against the 3-9x50(there are plenty of camo scopes out there too), only because this sounds like a first gun and a smaller objective diameter on low scope mounts will help you keep your eye and cheek in better alignment. This will also help in recoil, as you'll be slapped a little less. The .30-06 is no slouch; while experienced riflemen consider it on the low end of the recoil scale, beginners are sometimes surprised, especially in a lightweight gun like that 700 you're looking at.
I know you have your heart set on that gun, but if you have to, go with a less expensive Remington 700 (some Wal-Marts have em for $300-$325, I cleaned my local one out Big smile ), spring for the good glass now, then think about a fun camo stock when you've got the money.
The only other thing you'll need is a sling, which is not just for carrying a rifle! You really should learn how to use a tight sling to make a steady shot from field positions. Not all slings are built for this use, those with huge pads make it extremely difficult to make a tight sling.

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Ditto on the glass. Imagine spending all that money on the rifle and gear, investing weeks of planning and scouting, spending days hunting hard, and finally you've got a great shot at a bull in front of you. You take a breath to calm down, put your rifle to your shoulder...and your scope's fogged up. At that moment, if you could clear your scope with a swipe of your credit card, would you do it?

Good glass is an investment. There are a hundred different things that can keep you from being successful on a hunt; a bad scope is one of the worst because it happens at the worst possible moment and keeps you from taking an animal right in front of you.

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Since you mentioned three Provinces I'm assuming you somewhere in Canada.
If you are, we can give you a few good websites to check out for prices. We just have to get you a better scope.
Here's a good one to start with:

http://www.lebaron.ca/index_fall_eng.htm

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Looks like its pretty unanimous on the scope issue. Get a good one and it can last a lifetime with proper care.
Yes, you are going to need mounts and rings. What you need will depend on the scope being mounted, the stock of the rifle and you. You don't want to be in an unnatural position trying to look through your scope. REMEMBER, scope mount and ring screws do NOT have to be "farmer tight" (no disrespect to farmers intended, but they tend to over tighten screws, nuts and bolds) I have seen more than one scope tube crushed and ruined as a result of misalignment and over tightening. If you do not have the proper tools to mount a scope., take it to a gun smith, the small amount of $$ you will spend on having him properly align and mount your scope may save you a bunch of heart ache in the future. Warning, the vast majority of the gun store personnel can NOT mount a scope properly. though many will offer to do it for you and calumniate it as well.
Although most of the firearms and optics manufactures are pretty forgiving, they will not replace your scope if you ruin it through improper mounting.
I have tried to explain this concept to both my son in laws, both had their scopes come loose this past hunting season. Caused one to miss a shot on a fine buck, or so he claims.

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Good point on professional mounting. Aside from the quality issues, you'll probably save money in the long run by using a lot less ammo to sight in a scope that was boresighted for you.

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Huge fan of Leupold scopes. Check Nikon Monarch, too. My brother has that scope and it's great. As said, do NOT skimp on your scope.

Also note that you don't have to get a camo scope to match the camo print of your gun. You can get neoprene protective "skins" to go over a black scope, e.g. Beartooth is probably the most common brand of neoprene gun protection and comes in a variety of prints. Here's a photo showing a gun completely outfitted in Beartooth stuff. BTW, I've never used the product, so can't endorse it.

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Ditto on the glass. Imagine spending all that money on the rifle and gear, investing weeks of planning and scouting, spending days hunting hard, and finally you've got a great shot at a bull in front of you. You take a breath to calm down, put your rifle to your shoulder...and your scope's fogged up

When I wrote that I nearly had a hunt ruined for me, this was nearly the exact scenario I experienced. Thankfully it was the first morning and I was just looking through the scope before starting out. Had I not brought a back up rifle I would have had a real problem. The scope was brand new, out of the box and had never been hunted. Just sighted in. The manufacturer refused to fix it. It was Bushnell in case anyone wants to know. In fairness this was many years before the Elite line and I understand their customer service has improved. I still can't bring myself to buy anything from them though. The moral of this little tale of woe? Buy good glass so you don't end up like dumbass Bunnyslayer!

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Thanks everyone for the helpful tips.....I do live in Canada...originally from BC...lived in Minnesota for the past 6 years before moving to Alberta for work after university...my wife and I will eventually end up in Thunder Bay Ontario where her family is from. Again, thank you so much for the help, I truly appreciate it.

Clu

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If the rifle barrel in the photo is free floated and that neoprene is snug enough to stay in place, it can't be a good thing.

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